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Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep

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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 16:37

Evening all

So we're looking for a dog to adopt and the rescues we're watching seem to have lots of staffys (why is this?!) We're considering going to see one this weekend (x with Shar Pei). He's four and according to the rescue shows no health or personality concerns associated with this breed and is pretty much a staffy through and through.

I've always loved this breed but DH is wary due to their rep.

Can you tell me honestly what they're like? I read something interesting on BBC which said they are actually s breed the kennel club recommends around young kids so that was a surprise!

Also a good friend of mine was attacked by one a few years ago requiring stitches and although I haven't asked her yet - I'm s bit worried what her reply would be tbh - I'm concerned she may refuse to walk her dog with us/come to her home. This is really niggling me enough to not consider him Sad

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DontKnowWhatToThink7 · 18/11/2021 18:11

I would also like to add that my dog has never attacked other dogs (or cats for that matter) but he has been attacked on a few occasions and twice by labradors'. Any dog breed can be aggressive.

Branleuse · 18/11/2021 18:16

@whoopsnomore

Sorry OP, another one whose dog has been attacked, twice, unprovoked by Staffies (once a Staffie cross). In one case, the Staffie was on a lead but pulled away from an owner who couldn't hold him once he'd decided he was going to get my dog, having spotted us some 25m away.
One of my dogs has been attacked by 2 staffies. My staffie on the other hand has been attacked by 2 cocker spaniels. A labrador and a retriever/setter. Loads of dogs can be dickheads
thickthighs73 · 18/11/2021 18:17

and wasn’t his dog an English bull terrier not a Staffordshire?

DontKnowWhatToThink7 · 18/11/2021 18:17

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DontKnowWhatToThink7 · 18/11/2021 18:23

This is my boy

Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 18:26

@UnoriginalPenguin

Staffies are lovely dogs, but the Shar Pei cross would put me right off. Shar Peis are a guardian breed, need very careful socialisation and training, and I wouldn't contemplate one that I hadn't raised from a puppy. Actually I wouldn't even consider a puppy.
This is something that's bothering me too, despite the rescues assurances.
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Simonjt · 18/11/2021 18:26

@DontKnowWhatToThink7

I would also like to add that my dog has never attacked other dogs (or cats for that matter) but he has been attacked on a few occasions and twice by labradors'. Any dog breed can be aggressive.
Yep, our dog (Shiba Inu) has been attacked by three collies, one was bad enough that he needed stitches on his neck.

We babysit a staffy sometime, he gets on beautifully with our dog and cat, despite never having lived with a cat. He does fart constantly

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 18:28

Thanks all. I am worried about how he'll be around other dogs especially as a rescue probably won't know all his history.

Ahhhh, lots of thinking to do I reckon

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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 18:29

@Saucery

Around here they are the ones mostly trotting offlead next to their owners (a mix of ages, from older couples to young men, families….), friendly, well trained, patient with bouncy puppies like mine. In 15 years of dog ownership I’ve only ever had one go for my own dog, but it didn’t get near because the owner had it on a lead and under control. For contrast, smaller dogs and Poodle crosses have been arsey towards my dogs far, far more often and owners have shrugged it off. My favourites are the blue/grey ones, they are like friendly little seals! Grin A relative had one, a rescue and he was the Best Dog. Not brought up with children, but infinite patience and calmness around them. They did careful introductions with other dogs and no problems there, either, but they did keep him on lead in unknown places as if an arsey dog goes for a Staffy then it’s typically the Staffy that gets the blame and they didn’t want to risk that Sad He had a little leather harness with brass fixings and he looked like he should be trotting next to Bill Sykes in a production of Oliver! Grin
Ahhhh he sounds ace! They really are such beautiful pooches
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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 18:33

@REP22

There are good dogs and bad dogs of any breed. I have had dogs all my life and my third dog was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. He (Jasper) came from a rescue home and he turned out to be one of the best dogs I have known.

Jasper was strong and muscular, but had a very affectionate nature. Totally not aggressive. He had quite a dominant character sometimes but never violent. I only ever saw him bite once in anger and that was someone who was physically threatening me, and after a series of growls and body-language warnings. I had also been defending myself and was clearly distressed. That's the only time he ever bit anyone.

I wrote an article for a local magazine about Staffies (Jasper was something of a minor local celebrity during his lifetime) and also found, to echo what the Kennel Club says, that they are good with children. In fact, an historic nickname for the breed is apparently "the nanny dog". I believe this stems from the days when poor families would keep a Staffy for ratting and fighting (a bit of extra income could be made from both). The dogs were bred for fighting, but with a gentle enough temperament so that they would not turn on their human owners and could reasonably safely be pulled away from each other by the fight's referee. Often (according to records I found) the injured dog would be transported home in the pram/cart WITH the owner-family's latest baby. Also, the dog was sometimes fed before the children (the reasoning being presumably that the dog brought in a bit of extra money and was therefore further up the hierarchy. Times were hard and quite brutal).

Jasper was very fond of children. In fact, he appeared in several different stage productions of the musical Oliver!, playing Bill Sykes' dog Bullseye. He was a great favourite with the children in each cast and would happily sit and play with them backstage. I never had any qualms about him being with the children, even in such a lively and excitable situation. He was also always very happy and patient with the children and any others who wanted to meet him at the Stage Door afterwards.

When I used to work in a rural location, Jasper would often accompany me to work and was always well behaved with colleagues and visitors. On days when he couldn't come in, he went and spent the day with an elderly neighbour, who adored him, He was always gentle with her and always safe when she took him for his walks.

There was also a situation in which I found myself in some danger whilst walking on Dartmoor with Jasper. It's true to say that he actually saved my life, by doing a bit of a "Lassie" and running off to find some nearby Norwegian walkers and bringing them back to where I was to help me. But that's a bit out of the ordinary.

Sadly, Jasper passed away from cancer when he was 12. The dog I have now is a Jack Russell, but I would certainly not ever hesitate to have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier again.

Unfortunately, I did get a fair few instances when I was out and about with Jasper of strangers telling me "that dog should be shot", "dogs like that deserve a bullet in the brain", "I don't understand why people have 'that sort' of dog", totally unsolicited and not in reaction to anything he was doing. I was always mindful that he was a strong dog and that not everyone likes dogs, so he was always on the lead when walking or under close control in the park. Those unsolicited comments were quite hurtful and upsetting.

I'm very sorry to hear about your friend, that must have been very distressing for her. But even the sweetest natured dog might bite. The dog probably bit her because it was unwell, in pain or afraid and not purely and simply because of its breed.

Sorry for the long post - but I hope at least some of it is helpful. I wish you well with whatever dog comes to share your home. And I can honestly say that I was someone who never wanted to have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Circumstances sent him my way and I was glad that I was proved wrong. I've tried to attach a picture of Jasper out and about on Dartmoor (never tried putting a picture on MN before, so hope it works).

Very happy to answer any other questions you might have - and I promise to answer them objectively. I totally get why some people are hesitant about this breed. Best wishes to you. x

Ahhh thanks for this REP. He sounds like he was a wonderful dog , you must miss him Thanks

Thanks for the pic x

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Hippychicken1 · 18/11/2021 18:33

I have a french bulldog and he’s the most vicious little bastard ever
He could give Tyson Fury a run for his money I think 😂
He is lovely no health issues but I muzzle him when out as he can be vicious for no reason
I would love a staff as everyone I’ve met has been so sweet
Sharpies can have lots of skin and health issues
It wouldn’t put me off
Maybe you can see if you can have him as a trial I don’t know if that’s possible

SirenSays · 18/11/2021 18:33

They're hardy little dogs, we have one in my family who is turning 18 soon. I've loved fostering staffys, they're one of my favourite dogs to look after. Unfortunately they're really given a bad rep and often aren't treated right. There are lots of myths about jaw strength and lock jaw. It's untrue, a staffy doesn't lock its jaw and its bite force is no stronger than say a German shepherd or similar sized dog.

Winniemarysarah · 18/11/2021 18:33

@UnoriginalPenguin

Staffies are lovely dogs, but the Shar Pei cross would put me right off. Shar Peis are a guardian breed, need very careful socialisation and training, and I wouldn't contemplate one that I hadn't raised from a puppy. Actually I wouldn't even consider a puppy.
This. I’ve owned both and I’d be more concerned about the shar pei half than the staff
tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 18:35

@number87inthequeue

There are a couple of staffies down the road from me who are without a doubt the best behaved dogs I have ever seen. They walk to heel without a lead, come when called (no matter what is going on) and never approach another dog unless invited.

However, we all know that some people own staffies to look 'tough' and it's rarely possible to know what a rescue dog has been through. Rescue dogs can seem placid in the kennels etc when actually they are shut down- once they start to relax in a new home they can show their true colours. It's not uncommon for rescue dogs to be reactive (to dogs and strangers etc). I speak from experience- my rescue that I was appeared to have a lovely temperament has needed lots of specialist behaviourist training. We love him, but it's been hard work.

Some rescues ask for foster carers for their dogs- I've heard of people having success by starting as a foster carer then adopting if it's working out. If it's not the dog for you, the dog gets a chance to get used to a home environment and the rescue gets a better assessment of the dogs needs- so more likely they'll successfully re-home him.

That's interesting about the fostering Number, thanks.
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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 18:37

@DontKnowWhatToThink7

This is my boy
Ahhhh he's gorgeous 💖
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bakingdemon · 18/11/2021 18:40

We had them as kids and I adore them. So loyal, so soppy, so fun as long as they're brought up in a loving family.

But they were bred for ratting and so have very strong jaws which lock on to their quarry. This makes them unfortunately ideal for people who want to breed them to be fighting dogs, and means that if a Staffie does bite, it tends to be worse than other breeds because it holds on (labradors bite more but the bites are less serious).

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 18:42

Ok.

I've definitely not ruled out a staffy but especially as it's a rescue , we'll need to ask lots of questions about history, observed behaviour whilst with them etc.

Fostering I'm definitely going to consider.

Alas, I'm still worried about the Shar Pei regardless of their assurances, so I think in this occasion this lovely fella is not meant for us.

To cheer me up please feel free to shamelessly post pics of your dogs, Staffy or otherwise Grin

Thanks so much to all who have posted ... I shall definitely post in future as we continue our search.

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USaYwHatNow · 18/11/2021 18:45

We have a 2 year old Staffy girl. She's our first dog, although I have experience of other breeds in my extended family. She's an absolute delight. Soft as anything, loves to play, loves a cuddle and a fuss, extra gentle with children-to the point where she seems to realise they're little and will slow down and sit and give kisses (if allowed). She loves her doggy friends, and we have an ace dog walker who takes her out with three to four dogs so she can play with them, never had any issues.

We socialised her well before the pandemic and she's never caused us any grief. She also loves her brother (our cat!) and they play nicely together.

My cousin also has two staffs, one rescue and a puppy and they're both also very well behaved, much like our girl in temperament.

Sadly, I think a lot of Staffs can look very muscly (our girl does naturally) and some boys can certainly look a bit mean and intimidating if they're muscly, which can make them look like a status dog, falling into the wrong ownership, and hence ending up in rescue centres.

My cousins dog however, although rescued, was a very very good girl ❤️

And as a comparison, my parents springer is an absolute bellend! You just never know 😂

Si1ver · 18/11/2021 18:47

Mines a complete lovebug. Never as happy as when she's curled against me, but I'm very definitely her human in a way my husband never will be. She's obsessed with looking after my boy and adores my nieces. Her recall is improving (finally) and she'll happily potter out to the car at my heels.

She's a giant wuss though. Hates the cold and rain and wind and fireworks and doesn't like it when it's too hot or snowing.

Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
USaYwHatNow · 18/11/2021 18:52

Soft as anything

Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
mumto2teenagers · 18/11/2021 19:00

We have 2. A 9 year old female Staffy who we got from a rescue centre when she was 4 and a 18 month old Male Staffy x we got as a puppy.

They are one of the few breeds the kennel club recommend as family dogs as they are usually excellent with children. As others have said can be reactive to other dogs, our rescue Staffy can be a bit reactive when on the lead although is fine off lead. Our younger one was fine until he was attacked, he was on lead and a much bigger dog came over to him and attacked him, since then he can be reactive to certain dogs.

FawkesThePhoenix · 18/11/2021 19:18

I was just about to start a thread asking for info on staff puppies as I may have a spot on a waiting list and need to educate myself on the early months of owning a staff lol

So glad that so many people love this breed.

bunique · 18/11/2021 19:22

She's a giant wuss though. Hates the cold and rain and wind and fireworks and doesn't like it when it's too hot or snowing.

Oh yes! We haven’t experienced snow with ours yet and she wasn’t phased by fireworks but the rain and heat she looks at us in disgust if we try to take her for any kind of walk.

Ours is a failed foster, I never would have thought we’d have a staffy (ours is a cross with something unknown). But she is such a people dog, very bonded to me but very excited by any human who shows her the faintest bit of attention too. Her stature can make her seem intimidating and she isn’t allowed off lead unless we’re in a secure field because she’s way too boisterous with other dogs and doesn’t have an off switch. But she can walk for hours or spend all day cuddling. She greets you like you’ve been away for a hundred years ❤️

Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
Biscuitandacuppa · 18/11/2021 19:22

I was once cornered in a public bathroom by 2 staffs, I was a child and a bit frightened but they were complete softies who wanted lots of cuddles and to lick me! I’ve met many staffys over the years and apart from one very large male who was under exercised and a bit bonkers they’ve all been lovely dogs. Far less hassle than some smaller snappy breeds.

CasaBonita · 18/11/2021 19:35

Agree with PP - they can be nasty buggers with other dogs. For that reason I would never consider one.