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Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep

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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 16:37

Evening all

So we're looking for a dog to adopt and the rescues we're watching seem to have lots of staffys (why is this?!) We're considering going to see one this weekend (x with Shar Pei). He's four and according to the rescue shows no health or personality concerns associated with this breed and is pretty much a staffy through and through.

I've always loved this breed but DH is wary due to their rep.

Can you tell me honestly what they're like? I read something interesting on BBC which said they are actually s breed the kennel club recommends around young kids so that was a surprise!

Also a good friend of mine was attacked by one a few years ago requiring stitches and although I haven't asked her yet - I'm s bit worried what her reply would be tbh - I'm concerned she may refuse to walk her dog with us/come to her home. This is really niggling me enough to not consider him Sad

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Lou98 · 18/11/2021 17:22

My DP and I currently have two staffie boys - one is 8.5 and the other will be 2 in December. We've also both previously grew up with staffies and have had 6 between us combined.

We have a 6 month old baby and both our boys are amazing with him! They are a recommended breed for families as they are naturally good with children (although obviously if trained wrong any dog can be dangerous).

They're eager to please dogs which (we've always found) makes them an easier to train breed! They are nuts as puppies though but very loveable and affectionate!

None of the 6 that we've had have ever been reactive to other dogs. Our 2 boys absolutely love running around with other dogs. I'm a dog groomer and they often come to work with me.

As with any dog though, they do require consistent and confident training, also being a rescue you may not know their past and what they've been through so they may require more work on training, although the rescue should help support you with that.

Honestly, id be more concerned about the shar-pei cross than the staffie in him.

I think the main reason there is so many in rescues is, one, as above people get them as guard dogs or "status" dogs then can't be bothered with them but also they are quite hyper dogs when young

Saucery · 18/11/2021 17:23

Bill Sykes, the vicious violent thug who trained his dog to terrify people? Not a great rec! grin

Well, this dog was only trained to be a total Cuddle Monster, so…….

Lou98 · 18/11/2021 17:24

Also to add, you'll need to get use to people crossing the street when out walking him.
I've lost count of the amount of times people have crossed away from me walking them or picked their kids up giving me dirty looks when walking him (even though I've also had a pram with me)

Chichichiwawa · 18/11/2021 17:26

I agree it's the shar pei bit that would put me off.

diddl · 18/11/2021 17:26

@pumpkinpie01

My old dog was attacked 4 times in her life, 3 times by staffies. She didn't approach them they just went for her☹️
The only time my dog was attacked it was a couple of staffies.

Twat of an owner shouted "I can't hold them" & they just went for my dog & completely bowled him over into a ditch.

Friend of a friend has one that is the daftest thing & sort of squeaks with joy!

WinifredTheWondrous · 18/11/2021 17:28

Sorry if it's already been said, but I think the 'problem' with breeds like this isn't necessarily their personalities? Think it's more that if they are having a bad day or whatever and decide to take a chunk out of someone, they have extremely powerful jaws that lock down on what they're attacking. That makes them more dangerous if they happen to attack anyone.

I wouldn't have one and I've had big dogs before.

But all the staffies I've met have been adorable. Maybe seen the odd one out in the park who didn't look tha friendly, but that's probably down to bad treatment by their owners SadAngry

REP22 · 18/11/2021 17:29

There are good dogs and bad dogs of any breed. I have had dogs all my life and my third dog was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. He (Jasper) came from a rescue home and he turned out to be one of the best dogs I have known.

Jasper was strong and muscular, but had a very affectionate nature. Totally not aggressive. He had quite a dominant character sometimes but never violent. I only ever saw him bite once in anger and that was someone who was physically threatening me, and after a series of growls and body-language warnings. I had also been defending myself and was clearly distressed. That's the only time he ever bit anyone.

I wrote an article for a local magazine about Staffies (Jasper was something of a minor local celebrity during his lifetime) and also found, to echo what the Kennel Club says, that they are good with children. In fact, an historic nickname for the breed is apparently "the nanny dog". I believe this stems from the days when poor families would keep a Staffy for ratting and fighting (a bit of extra income could be made from both). The dogs were bred for fighting, but with a gentle enough temperament so that they would not turn on their human owners and could reasonably safely be pulled away from each other by the fight's referee. Often (according to records I found) the injured dog would be transported home in the pram/cart WITH the owner-family's latest baby. Also, the dog was sometimes fed before the children (the reasoning being presumably that the dog brought in a bit of extra money and was therefore further up the hierarchy. Times were hard and quite brutal).

Jasper was very fond of children. In fact, he appeared in several different stage productions of the musical Oliver!, playing Bill Sykes' dog Bullseye. He was a great favourite with the children in each cast and would happily sit and play with them backstage. I never had any qualms about him being with the children, even in such a lively and excitable situation. He was also always very happy and patient with the children and any others who wanted to meet him at the Stage Door afterwards.

When I used to work in a rural location, Jasper would often accompany me to work and was always well behaved with colleagues and visitors. On days when he couldn't come in, he went and spent the day with an elderly neighbour, who adored him, He was always gentle with her and always safe when she took him for his walks.

There was also a situation in which I found myself in some danger whilst walking on Dartmoor with Jasper. It's true to say that he actually saved my life, by doing a bit of a "Lassie" and running off to find some nearby Norwegian walkers and bringing them back to where I was to help me. But that's a bit out of the ordinary.

Sadly, Jasper passed away from cancer when he was 12. The dog I have now is a Jack Russell, but I would certainly not ever hesitate to have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier again.

Unfortunately, I did get a fair few instances when I was out and about with Jasper of strangers telling me "that dog should be shot", "dogs like that deserve a bullet in the brain", "I don't understand why people have 'that sort' of dog", totally unsolicited and not in reaction to anything he was doing. I was always mindful that he was a strong dog and that not everyone likes dogs, so he was always on the lead when walking or under close control in the park. Those unsolicited comments were quite hurtful and upsetting.

I'm very sorry to hear about your friend, that must have been very distressing for her. But even the sweetest natured dog might bite. The dog probably bit her because it was unwell, in pain or afraid and not purely and simply because of its breed.

Sorry for the long post - but I hope at least some of it is helpful. I wish you well with whatever dog comes to share your home. And I can honestly say that I was someone who never wanted to have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Circumstances sent him my way and I was glad that I was proved wrong. I've tried to attach a picture of Jasper out and about on Dartmoor (never tried putting a picture on MN before, so hope it works).

Very happy to answer any other questions you might have - and I promise to answer them objectively. I totally get why some people are hesitant about this breed. Best wishes to you. x

Staffys - tell me honestly, do they deserve such a bad rep
Saucery · 18/11/2021 17:32

Jasper sounds amazing! How lucky you were to have each other ❤️

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 18/11/2021 17:34

Wow! I've never had so many replies to a thread I've started, ever Grin

Going to have tea then read through properly and reply to you lovely lot.

Please don't post any pics of your gorgeous boys/girls as my heart will overtake my head please absolutely post pics!.

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ILoveShula · 18/11/2021 17:40

They definitely do not deserve their bad rep - they are affectionate.
The shar pei part is more worrying as they are going to want to protect you.

It would probably be a devoted pet.

REP22 · 18/11/2021 17:40

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

Wow! I've never had so many replies to a thread I've started, ever Grin

Going to have tea then read through properly and reply to you lovely lot.

Please don't post any pics of your gorgeous boys/girls as my heart will overtake my head please absolutely post pics!.

Hehe, sorry! No Shar Pei in him though! I won't post a pic of the time he had to dress up as Robin Hood to promote a pantomime. Smile
Kanaloa · 18/11/2021 17:41

Ours was a staffy. She was gorgeous and so friendly with everyone. No issues with agression in any way.

The cons of her would be she was more of a people dog than a dog’s dog. Not to say she was aggressive with other dogs at all, but she couldn’t be left alone for too long. This was fine as DH and I were usually at home but she would be lonely/cry when she was alone.

I’m also pretty sure she wouldn’t have been much good if we got broken into. I don’t think she would have raised the alarm very well and she wouldn’t have attacked an intruder. Probably she would have just been excited.

TheresOnlyOneWayOfLife · 18/11/2021 17:42

@Franklin12

I love them, they bussle around (if that is a word!) but they are known to not be great with other dogs. Our last dog was dog reactive. We took her to a dog behaviorist and they concluded she couldnt read other dogs very well and didnt like them sniffing around her.

It was a similar breed to a staffy and we spent the next 10 years being very very careful. She didnt go out looking for trouble and kept herself to herself unless another dog started on her. It almost always the bigger dogs fault regardless, staffys, dobbies, rotties, huskies - they will all be blamed.

Thats the same as our girl, she's a Rottsky (Rottie / Husky) cross. Adores people, adores boy dogs but hates girl dogs especially in her immediate space. She's got a lot better being out and about and is fine now with familiar dogs after a bit of socialisation. She has a no dogs collar and lead but other dog owners take no notice or responsibility.

She is the softest, soppiest dog who is never happier than when she's lying on a human.

SalsaLove · 18/11/2021 17:42

Two staffies in my neighbourhood and they are so loving and sweet.

Kanaloa · 18/11/2021 17:42

However of course any dog can have aggressive tendencies no matter the breed. I think your best bet would be to ask the rescue if there have been any issues around food guarding/snappiness in the past. There’s just no guarantees.

REP22 · 18/11/2021 17:44

@Saucery

Jasper sounds amazing! How lucky you were to have each other ❤️
Aw, thank you! Flowers I was very, very lucky to have had him in my life.

He could fart for England though. Didn't dare light a candle in my house some nights - the whole street would've gone up. Wink

Branleuse · 18/11/2021 17:44

I love staffies, such intelligent playful and devoted dogs.
Saying that, if i was rescuing an adult one id definitely want a lot of background info about why theyre being rehomed.

My staffie is mostly fine with other dogs as long as she knows them, they dont get in her face and arent trying to dominate her. Shes great with cats and kids too. Still quite bouncy though despite being 7 or 8 now.
Theyre one of my favourite breeds. I love their big smiley faces

InTheNightWeWillWish · 18/11/2021 17:50

They have a very strong jaw, so when they do react and bite, their bite is awful and tends to lead to a lot of damage. I think because of how they look, a lot of people who have wanted that tough image have got staffies which hasn’t helped their reputation.

If they are with a good owner who is willing to put the training in, they’re lovely dogs. I think there are so many in rescues because it becomes apparent that if something goes wrong with the dog, no matter how much training it’s had, it’s likely to be bad due to the strength of the staffy. Half-arsed owners realise it’s a big risk and aren’t prepared to be constantly on guard, including watching other dogs and people around your dog, to make sure nothing ever happens.

number87inthequeue · 18/11/2021 17:55

There are a couple of staffies down the road from me who are without a doubt the best behaved dogs I have ever seen. They walk to heel without a lead, come when called (no matter what is going on) and never approach another dog unless invited.

However, we all know that some people own staffies to look 'tough' and it's rarely possible to know what a rescue dog has been through. Rescue dogs can seem placid in the kennels etc when actually they are shut down- once they start to relax in a new home they can show their true colours. It's not uncommon for rescue dogs to be reactive (to dogs and strangers etc). I speak from experience- my rescue that I was appeared to have a lovely temperament has needed lots of specialist behaviourist training. We love him, but it's been hard work.

Some rescues ask for foster carers for their dogs- I've heard of people having success by starting as a foster carer then adopting if it's working out. If it's not the dog for you, the dog gets a chance to get used to a home environment and the rescue gets a better assessment of the dogs needs- so more likely they'll successfully re-home him.

ILoveShula · 18/11/2021 17:57

They are bull terriers and are strong. The shar pei in them might be aggressive if someone threatens you. If they attack someone it won't be pretty.

whoopsnomore · 18/11/2021 18:01

Sorry OP, another one whose dog has been attacked, twice, unprovoked by Staffies (once a Staffie cross). In one case, the Staffie was on a lead but pulled away from an owner who couldn't hold him once he'd decided he was going to get my dog, having spotted us some 25m away.

MyAnacondaMight · 18/11/2021 18:04

They don’t deserve the bad reputation. But they’ve got it. I wouldn’t have one simply because I’d want to take my dog to friends’ homes with children - which would invariably be difficult.

Also they tend to be absolute arseholes towards other dogs and cats, which is tough to navigate in any urban or suburban setting. Hard to persuade your neighbours that your dog is a sweetie when it’s killed their cat.

DontKnowWhatToThink7 · 18/11/2021 18:09

I love staffys. I have a 9 year old staffy who was a rescue and he is the loveliest dog and so gentle. I have a 7 year old daughter who is Autistic and has learning disabilities and they are the best of friends, he is also brilliant with my 3 year old nephew.

They truly are lovely dogs and I don't understand the bad rep they get either.

RubertRoo · 18/11/2021 18:11

Oh they are the best breed. The only breed I would ever consider! I have one now and she is the sweetest, loveliest dog ever.
The bad rep is because they are so strong.
My girl is the most gentle even taking food from my hand she is so soft and gentle and almost misses the food being too soft.
She is amazing with my daughter and when my daughter is being being loud, she'll just take herself off to another room.
My Staffordshire is 6 now and still bouncy but has calmed a lot with age.
They are just so full of energy. I wouldn't have any other breed.

I live in quite a nice area and the amount of people that have asked me what breed she is when walking and when I have told them she's a Staffordshire Bull terrier they've looked quite shocked and said 'I didn't expect one to be so small' and mine is quite tall for a Stafford as well.

AwkwardPaws27 · 18/11/2021 18:11

I'd actually be more worried about the Shar Pei in the mix - skin issues, ear issues etc. I met a few (former veterinary receptionist) who were quite snappy - usually when they were uncomfortable due to sore skin or an ear infection, but they didn't tend to give off as much warning that they are unhappy.

Staffs are lovely if well-socialised. They were massively overbred 10-15 years ago due to a surge in popularity; lots of backyard breeding for colour (blue especially) over temperament. A well-socialised staffy is a lovely dog but there was a real issue with them being used as status dogs sadly.