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Puppy survival thread. Oct/Nov fireworks!

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sandwiches77 · 21/10/2021 12:59

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WomblingKnobhead · 15/11/2021 20:34

@MsAwesomeDragon www.moleonline.com/bree-merryn-extra-deep-fill-hedgehog-dog-bed-large-1191072 125cm x 79cm x 14cm

MsAwesomeDragon · 15/11/2021 20:59

Thank you @WomblingKnobhead. I've ordered the blue tweed bed. I hope he doesn't chew it up.

WomblingKnobhead · 15/11/2021 21:14

I wanted the blue tweed but sold out I store so I just grabbed the ducks!

LegsMiserables · 15/11/2021 21:20

"My pup is quite chilled but I still felt an increase in anxiety and less secure in life. It felt very like having a small child. Far less in control and wanting to do the right thing."

This is just how I feel. There's so much to get right, plus DH makes me feel like I'm just scraping through the test rather than getting good marks. I think pup is doing really well. There's much less biting this week. Now I need to work on the jumping. And the million other things. Argh.

WomblingKnobhead · 15/11/2021 21:32

Although my DH is very dog friendly having his own (the terrier) who is allowed in bed, on laps, sofa, muddy feet on carpet ....I still had the sense that I had to protect everyone in the house from sleepless nights, constant attention seeking, biting, mess, noise and general puppy chaos. That made me tense especially as I was juggling work

GuyFawkesDay · 15/11/2021 21:37

I feel the same, it feels like having another baby and I was getting a bit anxious bit turns out when we went to puppy school he's doing really well so I was probably fretting over nothing but it doesn't stop that worry every time they bite/steal something/whine etc that you have somehow made everything worse by doing whatever you have done

WomblingKnobhead · 15/11/2021 23:59

I found the conflicting advice and some evangelical positive training hard.
No as a 'must never be uttered' word. Fail.
Shouting ... I'm not a shouty person but counter surfing?...Fail.

These are his "let me sleep on the sofa" eyes

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casinoroyale4ever · 16/11/2021 07:23

Wait you're not supposed to say no when they're biting? I'm clearly a dinosaur raising a puppy.

I read for biting you're supposed to fold your arms and withdraw attention - how does that work then they're attached to your hand, clothing etc?

Aria20 · 16/11/2021 07:23

@WomblingKnobhead those eyes! I know we aren't supposed to use no but so often it just pops out lol and it does stop her doing whatever it is so no harm done.

cheeseisthebest · 16/11/2021 07:46

I've started using a firm no.
Pup was a dream all day yesterday then between 9 and 10 was a total horror.

WomblingKnobhead · 16/11/2021 07:49

I found this re NO which is a bit more measured...basically make sure your dog knows what you are No..ING. Long CnP re the use of No....
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Daisy at Houndability as to why we shouldn't use "No" to try and teach our dogs "THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "NO" AND OTHER WORDS

Yesterday I saw a comment on a thread, which got me thinking. Many people know that dogs don't speak our language, and so the only meaning of words is what we condition the word to mean. Many people also are aware that the use of the word "no" is sometimes controversial. And sometimes people say that "no" means nothing to the dog. So surely we can teach a dog what "no" means by conditioning it to mean something?

The problem here is what "no" means to us humans. We use "no" to mean "stop that". And "stop that" is actually really vague. I'm going to go off into a weird analogy here, but please bear with me.

You are in someone's house, and you don't speak their language and they don't speak yours. You are in their living room, sat on the couch, drinking a cup of tea. They say "wibble" to you, in a neutral tone of voice. You have no idea what "wibble" means. You carry on. They say "wibble" to you in a harsh tone of voice, with a displeased look on their face. Ok, so you can use your rational human brain to think they maybe they aren't happy about something. It might be totally unrelated to you, but let's not overcomplicate things. They shout "wibble" and you get off the sofa, put the cup of tea down, and get away from them. They stop shouting.
You have learnt (by being intimidated) that "wibble" means they aren't happy about something you're doing - but you don't know what!

Next time you're in this room, you see a cup of tea near the sofa, you think "ok the tea isn't for me, I won't touch it". But the person still says "wibble" at you. They don't need to shout, now - you have worked out they aren't pleased, and you want to avoid being shouted at again. But what are they saying "wibble" for? You didn't touch the tea. The person continues to say "wibble", getting a little angry at your defiance. What on earth do they want? Eventually you decide just to get off the sofa and out of the room. The person looks pleased.

Next time you're in this room, you decide to avoid the tea and the sofa. But you're getting told "wibble" again! Argh! What do they want????

Theres 2 points to this long story.

  1. How do you attach meaning to the word? If I say "wibble" at you, with a neutral tone and neutral face, you have no idea that it means I don't like what you're doing and I want you to stop. So to attach that meaning, the person in the story shouted once. How would you attach the "stop that" meaning to the word "wibble"?
  1. Using words like "no", or mean "stop that", doesn't tell the dog what you DO want them to do. The person in my story doesn't have any idea what it is that they're being told "wibble" for. They don't mean to do the wrong thing, but they can't work out what to do. They're also frustrated, because they're trying to do the right thing but keep getting it wrong, and there's no guidance. The person saying "wibble" is also frustrated, as this guest keeps doing the wrong thing even though they've been told not to!!

The "wibble" person doesn't mind you on the sofa, and they actually made the tea for you. They just don't like shoes on their rug. But how could you work that out with the info you were given?

The word "no" isn't inherently a bad thing, and we are all human so we tend to use words like humans do. Saying "no" doesn't make you a bad person! But if you're using it to try to change your dog's behaviour, there may be a much more efficient way (and also probably more enjoyable for both you and your dog) to do that (i.e. what do you want the dog to do instead).

The problem with "no", isn't the word itself - it's how we use it. It's what meaning we attach, how we do it, and how we often confuse things by using the same word in many different situations."

WomblingKnobhead · 16/11/2021 07:49

I use NO a lot......

Aria20 · 16/11/2021 08:41

@WomblingKnobhead wibble!!!!

pardonmytits · 16/11/2021 09:19

Hello all. I posted once on another thread, but reintroducing myself and TitsPup. She is a springer spaniel, now five months. Honestly, I’m struggling. Not her fault, as she is just a baby, and to be honest, it’s probably a combination of things (toddler going through the terrible twos, and has never been a sleeper; work is stressful (WFH) and is going to get even more so as we ramp up for Christmas; family problems and a bunch of other life stuff). Between bonkers puppy, tantruming toddler, my sensitive 10-year-old, long-suffering husband and work, I barely get a moment alone, day or night. Once the boys are in bed, I go to bed. I just feel so wrung out. Not sure what the point of this is. Just want someone to tell me it will get better I guess. Obligatory pic of TitsPup ensuring no one takes the Butternut Box out of her sight.

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Aria20 · 16/11/2021 10:02

@pardonmytits gorgeous pup keeping the precious food safe! It will definitely get easier. It is hard juggling young kids and a puppy alongside working and general life so don't be hard on yourself x

Goawayangryman · 16/11/2021 11:11

I honestly don't know how you folk with very young kids do it. I can only manage because mine are older, teen and pre-teen. I also frequently feel I never get a minute to myself with the various household/ kid/ work/ animal requirements.

We also have butternut now, but i'm having to adulterate it with kibble because it's so expensive for large breed puppies who need upward of 800g a day [weeps]

GuyFawkesDay · 16/11/2021 12:14

I definitely couldn't do this with smaller ones! My youngest is 8 and loves her training classes with FawkesPup and they're doing a lot of loose lead practice at the mo....

The biting has really subsided this week, I think those pesky big pointy ones really bothered him!

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Returnoftheowl · 16/11/2021 12:22

@Goawayangryman

I honestly don't know how you folk with very young kids do it. I can only manage because mine are older, teen and pre-teen. I also frequently feel I never get a minute to myself with the various household/ kid/ work/ animal requirements.

We also have butternut now, but i'm having to adulterate it with kibble because it's so expensive for large breed puppies who need upward of 800g a day [weeps]

I briefly switched my pup onto raw food... For his predicted adult size he was supposed to have 2kg of it a day Confused
GuyFawkesDay · 16/11/2021 12:41

I'm sticking with my premium dry and adding other stuff instead, butternut looks fab but I don't have the freezer space or cash!

tizwozliz · 16/11/2021 13:01

I picked up some short dated tins of lily's kitchen puppy wet food - 50p for 400g. Just using it as a topper or for licky mats so a couple of tins lasts a week (I blend kibble in with wet for the mats). I was looking at the feeding guidelines and thinking surely no-one with anything more than a toy sized dog would feed it exclusively. It would cost a fortune.

I'm way too disorganized to cope with having to get food out the freezer to defrost for complete raw/butternut box type options. Plus we plan to do a lot of camping/travelling, so kibble with the occasional tin of wet food, sardines, egg, a bit of what we're eating if suitable is what I'm trying to stick to. Switching flavours of kibble seems to have cured the fussiness for now.

bargelights · 16/11/2021 13:06

My hat is off to anyone who can cope with a toddler and a puppy at the same time. @pardonmytits your pup is gorgeous.

We are planning to go away for a few days over Christmas and now I am panicking. The trip will involve a long drive and a stay in an unfamiliar house. The puppy has been amazing so far, brilliant in the car, very adaptable to new experiences, but I am starting to worry that a trip of this kind will be too much upheaval for him. DH just shrugs and says he’s sure it will be fine. And he may be right but it hasn’t stopped me panicking!

tizwozliz · 16/11/2021 13:14

How old will pup be @bargelights ?

We took our pup on holiday at 4.5 months and had no issues. Just made sure she'd had some exercise before getting in the car and planned for stops after a couple of hours driving. Wasn't phased at being in a strange house.

bargelights · 16/11/2021 13:32

@tizwozliz that is very encouraging and gives me hope! My pup will be about 6.5 months at the time of the planned trip.

Aria20 · 16/11/2021 14:46

@bargelights hopefully pup will be fine and if not you will cope because what is the alternative...go home?! Try not to worry as if you worry the pup may pick up on the stress and act out x

Aria20 · 16/11/2021 14:48

@tizwozliz I also changed flavours of kibble she still won't eat it on it's own though - not even in snuffle mat, treat ball or puzzle feeders now so it's very frustrating! She will only eat if well mixed with wet food/sardines! Fuss pot....

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