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My dog has just done the worst thing

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93sdb · 09/02/2021 15:53

Hes just chased a sheep into a pond in the snow. Im heartbroken.

When he was younger he chased sheep before and he has ALWAYS been on a lead since then. Sheep or not.

We were walking down a field a walk through daily that has never had sheep in in the 20 years I've lived here. He was on his extendable lead and it was on loose but he was right next to me. I opened the gate to go through and felt him pull on the lead. Saw the sheep and put the clip on so he couldn't get any closer and the lead snapped. He chased the sheep and would not come back. One jumped into a pond and I finally got him back.

Another girl from the house nearby helped me get the sheep out but it went into shock but was still breathing. I put my coat around it and sat with her whilst she called the farmer and another lad came over and said the farmer was going to be furious as this had happened earlier this morning. I gave them my number said I would pay any vet bills etc and left it with my coat wrapped around it.

The farmer has just called and spoken to my dad as I was too upset. He's shouted at my dad (understandably) and is threatening to get the police involved and wants immediate compensation and threatened to come and shoot my dog. The sheep is alive and is warming back up in this man's house and is expected to make a full recovery and I am going to walk up there later (WITHOUT THE DOG) to check on it.

I just wanted somewhere to write and be devestated. Im upset how the farmer spoke to my dad as it was a complete and utter accident but I understand his frustration. I wouldn't of even walked in the field with my dog if I had any clue there was going to be sheep in there. He hasn't got excited around them since the first time but I would never risk it.

OP posts:
derxa · 14/02/2021 17:49

[quote EYProvider]@Poorlykitten - Free range? What for the six months they’re allowed to live, you mean?

I wonder why the farmer doesn’t worry about the welfare of his sheep when he’s tearing their babies away from them to be loaded on the lorry for the abettoir?

What about the trauma of that for the sheep, or are we just supposed to pretend they don’t notice?[/quote]
What a load of old nonsense. Sheep that are sent to market and the 'abettoir' are not babies nor are they torn away from their mothers. When the lambs are weaned the ewes are practically kicking the lambs away. I hope people are not sitting there believing Provider's misinformation

Jackie2022 · 14/02/2021 17:51

Tbh I agree with @EYProvider. The farmer can’t give that much of a fuck about his sheep considering the majority are going to be slaughtered any way. Ultimately he just threatened to shoot a dog over his income being risked, that’s all. The sheep would be dead regardless.

thedancingbear · 14/02/2021 17:54

@Jackie2022

Tbh I agree with *@EYProvider*. The farmer can’t give that much of a fuck about his sheep considering the majority are going to be slaughtered any way. Ultimately he just threatened to shoot a dog over his income being risked, that’s all. The sheep would be dead regardless.
YYY. Ultimately the farmer's concern is that the sheep would die violently in a manner that did not yield a profit, instead of one that did.
Apachepony · 14/02/2021 17:55

I think that was aimed at me rather than poorlykitten! Ok so I presume from that you both must be vegan (unless you’re wild hypocrites) in which case how do you square an animal being kept purely for recreational purposes causing suffering to another animal? (Or indeed the fact that animals must die to feed the animal you keep for recreational purposes...)

derxa · 14/02/2021 17:57

YYY. Ultimately the farmer's concern is that the sheep would die violently in a manner that did not yield a profit, instead of one that did.
Did you see that picture I posted? An animal mauled to death. A ewe lamb which would grow up to see out her days on the farm.

mathanxiety · 14/02/2021 18:08

@EYProvider - what about the trauma of the bitch when hee pups are sold?

People who buy a puppy from a breeder need to think a little about what they are enabling.

EYProvider · 14/02/2021 18:43

@derxa - See out her days? What, all 180 of them? At the absolute most?

@mathanxiety - Sorry, I don’t see the connection. Most puppies go to loving homes. Lambs go to the slaughterhouse.

derxa · 14/02/2021 19:36

@derxa - See out her days? What, all 180 of them? At the absolute most? More like six years. She's a female.

EYProvider · 14/02/2021 19:59

@derxa - What, the sheep or the lamb?

The National Sheep Association website says that lambs are slaughtered when they are five to eight months old.

You wouldn’t be eating lamb if they were slaughtered at age six, would you? You’d be eating sheep.

Poorlykitten · 14/02/2021 20:09

@thedancingbear I’m afraid in your fury, you have got me mixed up with someone else. I don’t keep sheep and I’m not a farmer but I do understand rural life....unlike the rest of you. Also a committed vegetarian. Lots of my friends are farmers though, quite a few of them breed rare breed sheep that are not sent to slaughter but have a lovely life running about the fields. They still don’t appreciate dogs not being kept on leads. Funny that. Please get your facts straight before you accuse other posters falsely.

Poorlykitten · 14/02/2021 20:11

@EYProvider that isn’t true, lots of puppies go to inadequate homes where folk can’t keep them under control. People also breed from bitches until they die and sell them in puppy farms. Other people are really happy to buy them at ridiculously inflated prices.

derxa · 14/02/2021 20:14

[quote EYProvider]@derxa - What, the sheep or the lamb?

The National Sheep Association website says that lambs are slaughtered when they are five to eight months old.

You wouldn’t be eating lamb if they were slaughtered at age six, would you? You’d be eating sheep.[/quote]
Honestly I give up. We call a sheep a lamb up to a year old. We don't slaughter females at all.

TwelvePaws · 14/02/2021 20:16

We don't slaughter females at all.

Only because they’re worth more to you by getting pregnant.

mathanxiety · 14/02/2021 20:31

Sorry, I don’t see the connection. Most puppies go to loving homes. Lambs go to the slaughterhouse.

Most puppies are sold for cold, hard cash, with no thought at all for their poor traumatised mothers, or for their own trauma as they get used to life without their mama and litter mates. Some of them spend the first weeks in their loving homes howling and crying from loneliness.

mathanxiety · 14/02/2021 20:33

@TwelvePaws, do you want hundreds of rams prowling the downs and fells of England, fully equipped with horns, and ready to charge and gore dogs and their owners?

EYProvider · 14/02/2021 20:35

@Poorlykitten - I don’t understand what point you are trying to make. We all know that puppy farmers are scum.

What some of us can’t reconcile is your characterisation of this farmer - who has threatened to shoot a dog as an act of revenge - as a victim.

mathanxiety · 14/02/2021 20:37

Ok, to summarise:...

...3. The cow is the superior moral being, as it is only attacking the dog to protect its calf. Allegedly.

This is the point where your posts went from 'straying from the path' of reasonableness to losing contact with solid ground altogether, @EYProvider.

Scalphelp · 14/02/2021 20:37

@mathanxiety

Sorry, I don’t see the connection. Most puppies go to loving homes. Lambs go to the slaughterhouse.

Most puppies are sold for cold, hard cash, with no thought at all for their poor traumatised mothers, or for their own trauma as they get used to life without their mama and litter mates. Some of them spend the first weeks in their loving homes howling and crying from loneliness.

What is with your whataboutism? Why are you trying to compare puppies to lambs? Nothing that you even said is relevant, as farmers sell their stock for the same cold hard cash you mention, to ensure the brutal slaughter of their lambs rather than allowing them to go to a good home. I know what is the worser evil. Dog breeders/puppy farmers are condemned all the time btw.

You’re just blustering, what a weirdo you are

Poorlykitten · 14/02/2021 20:39

@EYProvider you are quite something and your posts are hilarious.

mathanxiety · 14/02/2021 20:42

What some of us can’t reconcile is your characterisation of this farmer - who has threatened to shoot a dog as an act of revenge - as a victim.

@EYProvider
Is it the norm that a dog who attacks a human is put down?
Is that for reasons of revenge?
Or could it be that there is something in the nature of Fido the beloved predator that makes this a necessary precaution against further attacks on humans?
Could it be that Fido, who has developed a taste for predatory behaviour around sheep, but whose owner seems quite blase about keeping him on an adequate lead and who doesn't check for the presence of sheep when out exercising her predator, might continue to be a danger to them without a drastic intervention?
By 'drastic intervention' I mean either the threat of shooting or actual shooting.

mathanxiety · 14/02/2021 20:44

Maybe it hadn't occurred to you that puppies have mummies too, @Scalphelp. Sorry to be the bearer of sad news.

TwelvePaws · 14/02/2021 20:45

mathanxiety

I want animals not to be exploited. Very few people, even the meat eaters I know, believe farmers have real love their animals. They are their way of making a living so they do what they ‘have’ to do.

I’m vegan so I’ll never agree with farming animals, I don’t usually say much on these sorts of threads as there’s no point, our views are completely different. But I won’t listen to farmers telling us how much they ‘love’ their animals. They make it sound like their animals have really happy lives. Blah, blah, blah. Some of my family are farmers, as are friends of theres. I’ve seen enough to know. I was vegetarian for years, now I’m vegan. Interestingly quite a few of their children are vegetarian and vegan now. I think we’ll look back on farming animals as an awful thing one day, sadly probably not in my lifetime. But views are changing thankfully.

mathanxiety · 14/02/2021 20:48

...lots of puppies go to inadequate homes where folk can’t keep them under control. People also breed from bitches until they die and sell them in puppy farms. Other people are really happy to buy them at ridiculously inflated prices.

Indeed, many of the puppies welcomed into British homes at Christmas will end up in shelters in a few months, or live out their lives in tiny gardens, or lying in crates while their owners are away at work.

Poorlykitten · 14/02/2021 20:49

If you are vegan and don’t agree with animals being traumatised, why is it okay for dogs to terrorise sheep? Which is what this thread is about, not whether farming is or isn’t ethical. One animal terrorising another through inadequate ownership. Or is there a hierarchy of animals where the dog trumps the sheep because it is ‘loved’ and the sheep doesn’t count? Could we say the same for people? One persons life is more important because they are loved more?

Scalphelp · 14/02/2021 20:49

@mathanxiety

Maybe it hadn't occurred to you that puppies have mummies too, *@Scalphelp*. Sorry to be the bearer of sad news.
Lol what? So because lambs have mummies it’s perfectly okay to slaughter them?

You’re just embarrassing yourself at this point. Probably for the best for you to leave this thread now. 😬