Did I buy a puppy farm pup?

[Caross]

Hi all. I am a bit concerned that I might of bought a puppy farm pup!!
I responded to an add for a specific breed of pup that I have been looking for, they are also really hard to get, very popular breed.
I thought all seemed well as I got sent a photo of mum and the testing results from the dad. Then I got videos and photos of my pup whenever I asked, in one or two videos I seen the rest of the litter. Although, the breeder allowed him to be picked up at 7 weeks 3 days old, which was unexpected.
We had to use a pet transportation service due to the current restrictions on travel so we weren’t able to pick him up. The breeder would of been allowed to bring him to us but said she wouldn’t so we had no choice but to hire someone to do it. Turns out that all the other pups had gone home a day or two before ours and he was the last one there.
Someone else contacted me on Instagram asking who I got my pup from. I gave them the information, they came back and said they decided not to go any further with our breeder as there was another litter due in 5 weeks and they suspected it could be a puppy farm.
I feel really foolish. I was under the impression that our pup was born from her family pet. I had no idea she had another dog, (or potentially the same poor dog) who is expecting another litter.
Another reason I thought it seemed really safe was that she has a very public dog walking and boarding business.
Does this sound suspicious to anyone else or could there be a innocent explanation?

Not heard back from the breeders Vet surgery yet. I called them and their receptionist (who is working from home) was busy so I left a message with my info to call back. I’ll try again later if I don’t hear back from her.

Fingers crossed for you. It would give you (us!) wonderful peace of mind

Even if something is up you know what to do. Report to anyone you can think of from trading standards to council etc then just take good care of your pup who sounds great.Tell other people of your experience to give them a heads up.
I imagine if there is a problem the vets that have been misused will also take as action and they will take strong action.

So I spoke to the vets, they took the microchip number and advised they would need to check with the breeder that they can divulge the information (as it is her data) the vet receptionist called the breeder, the breeder gave permission for her to discuss the puppy with me.

The receptionist called back and confirmed that the microchip number matches up and the vaccination was done on 23rd April. Which would of been when puppy was 7 weeks old.

So that part of things is all good. Still other factors surrounding the handover of the pup which are concerning but at-least the paperwork is correct and pup had his vaccinations before coming home to us.

So the vet wrote a date that was completely wrong down on the vaccination card? They wrote January or a 1 when they meant to write April or a 4?

And unless you have your puppy scanned, you still don't know if that card relates to your puppy.

But OP until your puppy is scanned you can't know that this is true.

That sounds reassuring. You've got a beautiful wee puppy, OP. I hope you have many years of fun together,.

But it's not reassuring....
A pup was vaccinated in January. A pup was vaccinated in April. Maybe. Does the Op have either of these pups?

Well the chip matches an April vaccination for this breeder which means puppies were seen then, so clearly the card was filled in wrong. I doubt the breeder brought in and paid for dummy puppies to be vaccinated so it's pretty likely it was OP's dog. The breeder appears happy for info to be shared. It's easy enough tons and the pup to find out if the chip matches up so it would be daft if the vets and/or breeders to lie. It seems some posters are over keen to be right and for the op to have been scammed when it doesn't actually appear to be the case

It's not that I'm keen to be right, but I have had dozens of rescue dogs through my hands and literally never seen a vet write the wrong date on a vax card. It's important, and everyone knows that.

Also, I check and double check the paperwork of every dog that leaves my care, and scan their microchip. If a dog dog turned up at a new home with this kind of scenario I would be mortified.

These are unusual times though. My vets wouldn't even take or fill in my pups card as they aren't doing any physical paperwork just now. Breeder could have any number of unusual stresses, I know I have and lots of things I'm normally on top of have slipped. Better to wait and see the result of the chip scan before declaring it all a scam

My vet didn’t give my puppy the correct vaccinations which meant he wasn’t fully protected. They’re human and can make mistakes like the rest of us. Seems weird that the card is so many months out, but there may be a simple explanation.

Vets make mistakes as they are human just like the rest of us. Just double check everything when they go in regards chip number etc.

ANYONE who is breeding these designer dogs cavapoo/ bichonpoo/ labradoodle/ golden doodle /maltipoo etc etc etc are doing it for the money.
NONE of these ‘breeders’ are doing it to improve the breed standards are they are not a breed.
Its pure greed.
The number of ginger cockerpoos around here with issues both physically and behaviourally is unreal.
And in rescues.
I have nothing against true mongrels but selling them for over£1000 is crazy plus take into consideration the vet and behaviourist issues later.
Please dont line the backyard breeders pockets any more.
And no dog is ‘hypoallergenic’ - some may cause less problems than others but no breed is guaranteed despite what the fraudster breeders may tell you.

Of course vets maid mistakes but it's very unusual for them to make one on a legal document and not realise

Clymene

Of course vets maid mistakes but it's very unusual for them to make one on a legal document and not realise

And IF the vet had made a mistake the responsible breeder would sort it out. Simple.

So they said the chip matched the dogs breed and description and matched the card I have.

I will have him scanned by my own vet on Thursday when he gets his vaccinations

I don’t think it can be true that ANYONE who breeds a Cockapoo is doing so as a result of greed. Take Hearing Dogs for example, they occasionally breed Cockapoos (along with poodles and cocker spaniels) who go on to become successful and life changing hearing dogs. I also know of a Cockapoo that works in CAMHS as an emotional support dog. With the correct training they can be absolutely wonderful dogs.

However, it does seem that the current fashion for poodle crosses does result in puppy farming. I do think greater awareness of this is very important. It can be very easy to get caught in a situation whereby you think you are doing the right thing but actually you are supporting an awful industry. If you didn’t know better and you went onto for example the Raffles website you can understand why someone might think they were making the right choice when they state they are a licensed breeder awarded ‘higher standards’. They even have a page about what to look out for to not get caught out by a puppy farm! It’s only when you dig deeper that you find all the horrible tales of sick puppies dying.

People unwittingly support terrible industries all the time. Look at Nestle, or Amazon or the dairy industry. People do their best to do what they think is right. We need to raise awareness without being unkind or making sweeping generalisations.

You ought to have attempted the most basic research buying a puppy. You have bought a mongrel for over 1 000 pounds, jeeze. The next time you try to buy a dog, please do a weeny tiny bit of basic googling.

@Schoenes have you actually RTFT? OP has stated several times what research she did and that it was only when the breeder was willing to let the pup go a few days early that it raised a red flag.
KC have told breeders they can let pups go earlier at the moment though due to COVID.

I know Hearing dogs use cross breeds and in fact have crossed with Lhasa Apsos. However they don’t sell them for way over £1000. They cross breed to get superb hearing and trainability. It’s not the same. And, these cross breeds are not “breeds”.

On the one occasion I’ve had to deal with an incorrect vacc card, the vet had to reissue it as the new vet wouldn’t accept or continue with vaccs.
Breeders often have dodgy vacc cards especially if prolific, pup gets vaccinated, dies or claim it’s lost gets it reissued voila spare vacc card, saves paying for vaccs.
A cockadoodle whatever breeder is purely in it for ££.

I am surprised that people think that breeding certain crossbreeds are the only people doing it for greed.. if you take ANY profit from selling a puppy, then obviously youre lining your own pocket.

Cavalier King Charles spaniel puppies are priced between £1000 - £2500. Looking up Lhasa Apsos, a quick search brings up pups from £850 to £2000.
I know someone who’s french bulldog bitch had a pure breed litter and they sold the pups for £2500 each.

It’s funny how I’m getting abuse for “not researching” (which I did, as previously stated) then people are making ridiculous comments about price of pedigree pups which (if you do a basic google search) are in the exact price bracket of what I paid... why are you so concerned about my money anyway? Pretending you care about puppy farms and the well being of my pup, but are just showing a massive chip on your shoulder and focusing on money.

It’s absolutely flat out hilarious that anyone would think that KC registered/fully licensed breeders that you approve of, charge between £850 to £2000 for Pedigree pure breed puppies and think it’s not for profit and only to “better the standards for dogs”

Wish MNHQ would hurry up and carry out my request to delete this thread now because the amount of nastiness and hypocrisy on this is thread is really showing the worst in people.

I don’t think the thread should be deleted because you have raised important issues and through highlighting these red flags you are raising awareness which may help others. Try not to let the nastiness get you down. You clearly care a great deal about your puppy. How is the puppy settling in? I’m getting my puppy in 2 weeks time.

Wish MNHQ would hurry up and carry out my request to delete this thread now because the amount of nastiness and hypocrisy on this is thread is really showing the worst in people.

I don't think this thread should be deleted just because you don't like what people have said to you - most have been fairly honest and not all that horrible, actually.

There's some great information on here that could be really helpful to others in your position.