Did I buy a puppy farm pup?

[Caross]

Hi all. I am a bit concerned that I might of bought a puppy farm pup!!
I responded to an add for a specific breed of pup that I have been looking for, they are also really hard to get, very popular breed.
I thought all seemed well as I got sent a photo of mum and the testing results from the dad. Then I got videos and photos of my pup whenever I asked, in one or two videos I seen the rest of the litter. Although, the breeder allowed him to be picked up at 7 weeks 3 days old, which was unexpected.
We had to use a pet transportation service due to the current restrictions on travel so we weren’t able to pick him up. The breeder would of been allowed to bring him to us but said she wouldn’t so we had no choice but to hire someone to do it. Turns out that all the other pups had gone home a day or two before ours and he was the last one there.
Someone else contacted me on Instagram asking who I got my pup from. I gave them the information, they came back and said they decided not to go any further with our breeder as there was another litter due in 5 weeks and they suspected it could be a puppy farm.
I feel really foolish. I was under the impression that our pup was born from her family pet. I had no idea she had another dog, (or potentially the same poor dog) who is expecting another litter.
Another reason I thought it seemed really safe was that she has a very public dog walking and boarding business.
Does this sound suspicious to anyone else or could there be a innocent explanation?

What’s more unpleasant telling someone that they indeed bought a puppy under awful circumstances that contribute to animal cruelty or being the person who contributed to animal cruelty because she couldn’t be bothered to do the minimum amount of research before committing to 15 years of looking after another living creature?

@booboostwo The last laugh? .....
The pup is healthy (which will be confirmed at his vet appointment this week) he is happy, I am happy, I wouldn’t of paid that amount for a puppy if I could of afforded it. Wasn’t going to bring up the money but you seem to keep circling back to it so just had to put your mind at ease, that it’s not a huge loss for us.

I suppose I should appreciate your deep concern for me. I’m sorry your so triggered by it that you need to lash out and name call. You must of been treated really badly. Sending love and hugs to you hun xxx

@caross you dropped the "hun" bomb muahahahahaha.

Dont worry you saved the little pup who I'm sure will have a wonderful, happy life with you - you cant change the world in regards to puppy farming but you have changed the world for your puppy.

Troysmammy that's where my rescue was from and I remember seeing all the ex breeders fir rescue. I also read bad things about many years whhen I was reading up about them , critics saying that by accepting these dogs they were making life easier for the breeders....it all becomes hopeless for these dogs. Mine was not a pedigree dog but a mongrel who also needed to go to live with a calm older dog.
All breeders make money out of dogs but I am sure some love them and genuinely care about their pups and the families they go to.

@eastmidsmumof1 thank you xx couldn’t resist! Need to reign myself in haha

Places like Raffles and Glendream often charge up to £2000 for Cavapoos.

Both those places are Puppy Farms!

You can tell someone that they've fucked up without being unpleasant about it. The world is full of pitfalls which are obvious to those in the know and not to the naive. We all make mistakes. I know info.

I do not understand the need to be nasty and I do not understand the denigration of 'mongrels'.

Info?
I do...

Hhahahaha 'hun bomb'

@Booboostwo I belong to a group that actively try and shutdown puppy farms.
Lucy's law has sadly not slowed the trade of puppies coming in from Ireland, they have just upped their subterfuge to appear "nice" breeders.

Being rude and condescending to the op isn't going to change her situation but educating other people who are reading the thread can.
You need to direct your anger at the scummy owners of farms, not the purchaser who has done her homework and been hoodwinked.

We have managed to get our local farms banned from advertising on Pets4Home, GumTree and Preloved. We monitor regularly and report.
It is our mission to get them shut down! Rather slowly, we are making life difficult for them and at the same time, educate prospective purchasers.

I am learning a lot here. Just googled Glendream and they are assured KC breeders and fo all the tests so puppy farms really do come in many forms and it's very hard to do the right things. All these dogs will have good paperwork .
If they are puppy farms and the KC are happy to be associated with them why do we place so much importance on KC as a good standard? I know not everyone does, my last vet thought they were pretty awful and set no store at all by KC registration .
By the way, Caross, I wish you every happiness with your pup.

True it really is hard to spot. Where do you draw the line between a person breeding from their property (even if they are clean, well run places) as a business that they love, and a puppy farm? People are begging for pups from these places if you look at their social media pages.

Thank you @scochran

I found our dog on gumtree. Similar situation, decided a breed and found her online for a reasonable price. We did go drive to see the puppies and we didn't choose one form photos prior. I saw the litter, separated from their parents so didn't see either of them. Was told mum was family pet. Puppies where being kept in a stables with horses, they had their own stall. Straw on the floor and no toys. I picked my girl went to get cash as seller wouldn't accept card or online payment and took pup home. She didn't come with anything. I went to a pet store before going so I had all I needed.

She's been a lovely dog and is five this year. Only when I got home did I learn you should always see the parents, always see the environment they're in and chose one which is like your own for ease of transition (we don't have a stables 😅).

I did insure her the day I got her and thankfully she's had almost no health issues. She did get cherry eye which is very common and she needed surgery. Because of my quickness with insurance it cost us £75 rather than £1700.

I still to this day am unsure if seller was an honest breeder or not but I love my dog and wouldn't change her for the world.

I'll know better for next time but we had to get a puppy as my partner was afraid of dogs and said he'd be ok with a puppy. He's now much better with dogs and so we'll rescue the next pup.

Whilst buying a farm bred dog is frowned upon those animals need homes to. I hope your pup is healthy and you have a long loving life with them.

I would report them in the hope that they will be checked out and if found to be a puppy farm it gets shut down and they get in trouble. Animal cruelty breaks my heart 😩

I think the issue with these expensive cross breeds is that other lovely old breeds are dying out. They need people breed them being confident they can sell them to boost their numbers. When so many cross breeds are sold for exorbitant sums, it means other breeds of dog are reducing to very low numbers. I think that’s sad.

In addition too many people want cheap dogs. So use occasional breeders who might be fine but you cannot be sure of the breeding. I love the look of these cross breeds but there are now too many of them.

The OP made no real effort to educate herself nor is she recognizing that she has done anything wrong. All she is doing is giggling and confirming her decision to financially support a cruel trade. I am reserving my sympathy for the puppy’s mother who is still in the hands of the breeder who now has further financial incentive to breed from her yet again because of the OP’s actions than I do for the OP.

Designer dogs can’t be kennel club registered, though the kennels that breed them may be. It’s never a good idea to buy a pup from a place that mass- produces them.

The people on here claiming it’s so hard to tell if they are buying from a puppy farm didn’t follow the most basic advice of meet the pup with the litter and the mum in a home with the owner in person more than once.

Boo she has said she is going to go to the council and report if everything doesn't add up with the vaccination card.

What else can she do? These places don't tend to do refunds, they will do a swap.

You being on your high horse, flinging mud at her, isn't helping.
As you are a font of knowledge on this, get out there and educate, it is the only way.
Failing that, join our team to get them shutdown, we can never have too much help.

@GreyGoose1980 I think lockdown has somewhat compounded the problems for the op on the meeting mum.

Puppy farms will put any similar looking dog in with the puppies, you really couldn't tell it's not the real mum.

Please don’t think because someone has a council breeding licence that’s a positive, the amount of these who have lost licences is huge.
I’m horrified at £1200 for a crossbreed in the hope it’s hypo allergenic.
I’m glad your pup is doing well OP but you have been incredibly naive, even those other names you mention like Raffles are well known puppy farms; a quick google would have found that.
The vacc card sounds very suspect as does letting pups go at 7wk.
Many Tears Rescue rehome dogs from puppy farms/ scummy breeders, tossed aside after they’ve made ££, unsocialised, unhealthy fearful dogs.

I 100 % disagree @NiceTwin - it’s possible to do the right checks to vet both the breeder and the parents of the litter. I do appreciate lockdown has impacted on the Ops situation though but not on everyone’s who have posted here.

@GrryGoose1980 I agree that research can often throw up a puppy farm.
What about those who put a litter in a home, with a dog that isn't the mother but has lactated, so could pass off as mum. The propensity for mongrels makes this easy, "oh they look like their dad".
Honestly the tricks that those who won't admit to being a farm are getting more elaborate.
Lucy's Law them coming out fighting, rather than admitting defeat

Aha OP I did warn you and the fact is you wouldn’t be getting half these replies if it was a Labrador puppy.

We’ve paid £1200-£1500 for goldendoodles and all 3 are hypo and non shedding.
Worth every single penny.

@lochjessmonster yep you did warn me. I’ve actually put in a request to have the thread removed.

I put this thread up in here knowing that I’d hear from experienced people, get some good advice and perspective, maybe a bit of scolding for being naive but I didn’t realise this community of dog lovers was THIS hostile and nasty. It’s a shame as it’s not what I remember the community being like when I had the Cavaliers, but as you warned me, add “poo” or “doodle” and the claws come out.

I felt I was entering a safe space to have this conversation. I was wrong. Lesson learned, I will keep any other questions to myself.