Did I buy a puppy farm pup?

[Caross]

Hi all. I am a bit concerned that I might of bought a puppy farm pup!!
I responded to an add for a specific breed of pup that I have been looking for, they are also really hard to get, very popular breed.
I thought all seemed well as I got sent a photo of mum and the testing results from the dad. Then I got videos and photos of my pup whenever I asked, in one or two videos I seen the rest of the litter. Although, the breeder allowed him to be picked up at 7 weeks 3 days old, which was unexpected.
We had to use a pet transportation service due to the current restrictions on travel so we weren’t able to pick him up. The breeder would of been allowed to bring him to us but said she wouldn’t so we had no choice but to hire someone to do it. Turns out that all the other pups had gone home a day or two before ours and he was the last one there.
Someone else contacted me on Instagram asking who I got my pup from. I gave them the information, they came back and said they decided not to go any further with our breeder as there was another litter due in 5 weeks and they suspected it could be a puppy farm.
I feel really foolish. I was under the impression that our pup was born from her family pet. I had no idea she had another dog, (or potentially the same poor dog) who is expecting another litter.
Another reason I thought it seemed really safe was that she has a very public dog walking and boarding business.
Does this sound suspicious to anyone else or could there be a innocent explanation?

Did they check his microchip @caross?

I'm glad all is good, OP.

I'd like to add that IME plenty of perfectly decent breeders do not have a list before they breed.

I'm glad all is good, OP.

I'd just like to add that IME plenty of perfectly decent breeders do not have a list before they breed.

They are restarting one of his vaccinations just to be safe

Wonder why the vet would do this if they did not think that the vacc card was dodgy?

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman my sister has a cockapoo- the breeders are definitely not puppy farmers, they are her close friend of many years who have an idyllic life in the country with their pets (they even have a horse to plough their land - life goals) . They had a list, all friends or acquaintances for the 6 puppies left after keeping theirs that the bitch was scanned with however after the 7 came out there was further surprise 5 puppies that were born that they then had to find homes for 😆

Glad all is well OP! A happy healthy puppy is all that really matters isn't it.

A happy healthy puppy is all that really matters isn't it

No. It is not all that matters.

A happy healthy puppy, yes because you can really tell if a puppy is going to be healthy from a vet check. Shame all those idiot breeders are spending all the money on hip and elbow x rays, eye tests, genetic testing, etc. when a simple vet check can replace extensive health screening going back for generations.

A happy healthy puppy is all that really matters isn't it
Well no. If care about dogs at all then there's a bit more to it than that....

It's the attitude of "I got my pup and he's great"' that keeps puppy farmers going.

A happy healthy puppy is all that really matters isn't it.

No. The dogs that live their lives in dark barns with little human contact to produce farmed pups also matter. So do any siblings who might not be as happy and healthy.

@tabulahrasa guess where I got mine for would be considered that then as just older couple who bred from their own dogs ( not for profit though really as Cost wasn't too bad considering dogs all game fully health checked and with first vaccinations etc .
But I have an amazing great tempered dog and both parents were very good and I believe they had health checks done before breeding from them , I had got dog from a farm before shoe bred for working purposes but that poor dog arrived with worms , fleas and other health problems so I consider the couple at home a lot more responsible and as was third litter ( over 4-5 ) years and they had pictures and communication with other puppies who were all doing well I think I considered them much more responsible that the farmer .

Don't understand why anyone would get a non rescue center dog. I understand rescue dogs are second hand, and not designer at all, but they're always better than buying from a breeder/farmer.

And again.

Health checks are not the same as health tests.

A health check is a look over to ensure no obvious signs of disease, infection or abnormality.
Health tests can include hip and elbow scoring, and screening for genetic conditions known within the breed.

To buy a puppy on the basis that the parents are health checked means literally nothing for the welfare or long term health of the pup.

A happy healthy puppy is all that really matters isn't it.

What about the ones that aren't happy & healthy - the pups and the poor dogs that are used to produce them.
They matter too.

And that's why we get angry with people who prop up the backyard breeding and puppy farming, either unintentionally or on purpose.

Our dog was rehomed from a vet the dog was dumped with - clearly from a puppy farm, in terrible condition and suffering from a life-threatening obstruction, which the vet operated on. After a couple of weeks recovery they started looking for a home for him, and we were recommended having recently lost our beloved pet. They wanted a lot from us - references, home visits, meeting the whole family, proof of insurance ....he was 16 weeks and very fragile. I’ve never been able to get the thought of my dog’s family out of my mind. The thought that he has a whole family of God knows how many possibly suffering is something I find very difficult to forget.

OP what’s done is done. I hope that people read this and wise up to the horrors of what’s out there

@Easilyanxious

The thing is... people always try and make it into a black and white issue, in some respects it has to be online because it’s all written and there’s less room for nuance or even proper conversation.

So if someone was looking for a breeder, you give them the information that should lead them away from really bad breeders and hopefully mean they’d find an excellent one, but at the very least a half decent one.

But each bit of information taken individually doesn’t mean a breeder is good or bad... better or worse maybe? But it’s not a set thing.

So...

Take kennel club registration, for breeds that are eligible there isn’t a good reason not to do it, but it doesn’t mean anything about a breeder by itself.

It’s the same with anything really, health tests, whether they work them, show them or whatever - alone they’re not useful.

There are so many dodgy breeders that you’re trying to find a needle in a haystack anyway.

I mean not hugely relevant to the OP right now as she has a dog already but for the next one, or someone else... what you’ve kind of got to think about is, most dog breeders aren’t great, now most people will end up with a great dog... but it’s basically gambling and the pickier you are about where that puppy comes from the more likely you are to get the pet you wanted.

Don't understand why anyone would get a non rescue center dog.

Lots of reasons. I’m getting a puppy next week, the dog is for a specific purpose and I want to train her to do her job from a puppy.

If no one bred dogs eventually there would be no dogs so not everyone can get a rescue dog.

Obviously if no one bought puppy farmed puppies the trade would die out. I don’t get angry at those who do it unintentionally. Raise awareness yes, educate yes, but getting angry serves no purpose. It just switches people off.

Too young to leave its mum - this is why sale of puppys unseen and without veterinary certificate should be banned!

@Newdadtogirl mostly because most rescues won’t let you have one if you have young children, or cats, or a small garden, or other dogs, or a flat etc etc. The restrictions are pretty endless. If you have any of those circumstances but know that you can still provide a good loving home, getting a puppy is often the only way you can go.

@fivedogstofeed - yes they also scanned his microchip and it was all fine.

@Newdadtogirl - I decided not to get a rescue as other people I know who also have small children had rescue dogs and months after taking them in, had issues with the kids, linked back to previous experiences from previous owners. I wouldn’t want to put a nervous dog in a stressful situation my small kids. And I also wouldn’t want my kids to be hurt or scared in their own home.

@Ihaventgottimeforthis - that’s a shame you let yourself get angry by the unintentionally poor choices of others. I hope you’re ok and find some peace. That sounds a very tiring way to live.

@ducksback - the vet did not insist on repeating the vaccination. I asked her if it would be ok to do that, just incase (because, as you have all said I “don’t care” about this pup. And apparently this is what people who don’t care do right?) and she said she could if I wanted to, but the stickers from the vaccinations that were used by the breeders vet were on the puppy vacc card. I decided to ask her to do a repeat of the one of the vaccinations.

To multiple others.... I never said a health check was better than testing. Calm down. I am taking the positive out of this because that’s the best thing I can do. Have a nice day!

Good that the pup is microchipped OP and registered to you.

I happen to think that if someone came on here saying a rescue gave them a seven week old pup with the wrong dates on the vax paperwork then many people would be calling it dodgy as F and wanting to name and shame. Just a thought.

@fivedogstofeed - you’re totally right. They probably would. I seriously doubt any other outcome from posting on here ever. No matter the scenario. Had a look at some other threads and some similar user names coming up and a similar theme in comments.

Lots of helpful people too, don’t want to over shadow them at all. You know who you are.

First and last post on Mumsnet. Never again!

Caross Glad everything went well at the vets! I hope you and your puppy have a lovely life together

I wish I was surprised at the way this thread went but unfortunately I’m not. Everyone’s a puppy farm expert on MN. Hopefully some of us gave non judgemental helpful advice that you managed to pick out.

My point was actually that no-one would defend a rescue for handing out a puppy like this but many will try everything to defend a 'breeder'.

@fivedogstofeed well as you can see from this thread. Not many do defend the breeder and almost none defend the buyer.

Shame that anyone needs to be “defending” anyone at all but... here we are!