Did I buy a puppy farm pup?

[Caross]

Hi all. I am a bit concerned that I might of bought a puppy farm pup!!
I responded to an add for a specific breed of pup that I have been looking for, they are also really hard to get, very popular breed.
I thought all seemed well as I got sent a photo of mum and the testing results from the dad. Then I got videos and photos of my pup whenever I asked, in one or two videos I seen the rest of the litter. Although, the breeder allowed him to be picked up at 7 weeks 3 days old, which was unexpected.
We had to use a pet transportation service due to the current restrictions on travel so we weren’t able to pick him up. The breeder would of been allowed to bring him to us but said she wouldn’t so we had no choice but to hire someone to do it. Turns out that all the other pups had gone home a day or two before ours and he was the last one there.
Someone else contacted me on Instagram asking who I got my pup from. I gave them the information, they came back and said they decided not to go any further with our breeder as there was another litter due in 5 weeks and they suspected it could be a puppy farm.
I feel really foolish. I was under the impression that our pup was born from her family pet. I had no idea she had another dog, (or potentially the same poor dog) who is expecting another litter.
Another reason I thought it seemed really safe was that she has a very public dog walking and boarding business.
Does this sound suspicious to anyone else or could there be a innocent explanation?

I like it short. Less brushing too. I have had him done with a proper poodle cut before but dh doesn't like. It.

Really upsettng thread tbh. OP knows that she has fuelled the puppy farming trade but does not seem to care.

Why will people not educate themselves on this most important of topics? So bloody sad.

That’s not true. She does care, she obviously cares and there is lots of evidence within the thread that she cares. Also she would not have started the thread if she didn’t care.

I don’t understand why more people don’t educate themselves on the dairy farming industry which is just as horrific but then we can’t all be perfect...

I am do not consume any dairy so no need to tell me anything about that, the whole industry is disgusting.

I just do not know how you walk in to such a mess without pausing for thought.

And it is not about being perfect, it is about being aware of the exploitation of dogs and choosing either to be a part of that or not.

OP should take a look on Many Tears website. Packed with 'cavapoo' type dogs who have led miserable lives.

She has paused for thought. Have you read the OP posts? But I'm sure you're perfect @ducksback or you wouldn't be digging in so much.

If professional scammers and criminals weren't horribly convincing they wouldn't be any good at it. Even the best can be scammed if approached in the right way. No horse is too high to be knocked off.

I have read the whole thread. If you think that someone is 'perfect' because they would see the red flags of puppy farming a mile off then that says a lot about you.

Even the best can be scammed if approached in the right way

I do not doubt this. But the red flags were there every step of the way in this case weren't they?

No, I wouldn’t go so far as to say the red flags were there every step of the way.

We shall agree to differ then.

Oh and imo the first red flag is anyone that breeds 'cavapoos'.

Your attitude is what drives people away from seeking advice and support @ducksback. This holier than thou "I know everything you're so stupid" inference is just horrible. Perhaps look outside your gilded view of the world and think about how you approach what you write.

We have a cavapoo. Mum a kc reg family pet. Dad a kc reg stud poodle. Health tested, home reared. It was the dam's second litter at age 6. The dog is healthy, well socialised, energetic, and a delightful personality.

I understand that with certain crossbreed there is a higher risk of puppy farmed dogs. I consider ours is just a pricey cross breed. The pups were similar price to the first litter of pedigree cavaliers. I don't see why I should hang my head in shame for wanting a dog healthier than a cavalier, but retaining some of the characteristics of a cavalier. If the pedigree lines were not so unhealthy I would happily have opted for a full cavalier.

What's considered a back yard breeder ? Is it just anyone who breeds at home ?

It’s not clear that there was any kind of puppy farm involved. There’s so much awful animal abuse in the world. Really there doesn’t seem to be much of an issue here.

@Easilyanxious - I generally think people breeding their family pet have higher welfare standards than professional breeders. But depends on the person

@Cayroll. Yes tbh I though when we got our dog 5 years ago we did the right thing buying from a couple who bred from their pets , we met both mum and dad a couple times , they wouldn't let him go until he was actually 9 weeks , first injections and vet check were done and all worming etc , plus they did ask a lot about our circumstances before agreeing we could even go and see . Also asked if we ever were to re home to please contact them . They also keep in touch as this was the last time they were breeding from them ( done it twice before) as I think mum was now about 6/7 and they were still in touch with most from previous litters
I didn't realise this was considered a backyard breeder

Never buy from a breeder that has puppies ready to go to whoever. A good breeder has waiting lists and breeds for vetted buyers who are prepared to wait

@Easilyanxious - I have a friend who breeds her dog. The dog and puppies are well cared for and loved, stay in touch and still meet in the park. I don’t think a commercial operation would ever meet that standard.

The person the OP bought the dog from is a local dog walker and has boarding kennels so presumably knows about dog welfare and loves dogs. There is a difference between that and a puppy farm.

“What's considered a back yard breeder ? Is it just anyone who breeds at home ?”

No... other than commercial set ups, everyone breeds at home and commercial doesn’t equal good when it comes to breeding dogs.

It’s anyone breeding for no real purpose other than to sell puppies or because they felt like having puppies, ie they don’t have a job or hobby that they’re breeding a puppy to do.

Some backyard breeders aren’t awful, they health test, they look after their dogs... there’s always a bit of a risk that they don’t know as much as they should and accidentally breed in health problems that aren’t usually common enough to test for like IBD or allergies or that they accidentally breed unsound temperaments.

And of course some are actually awful... and a load are somewhere in the middle.

@CayrolBaaaskin (nice username ) I agree re 'back yard breeders' and welfare.
I have two dogs one pedigree and KC registered and one who's a cross breed.
My pedigree pup was from a breeder we had used twice before, they show their dogs (she's won at crufts several times) and are breeding to better the breed etc etc. Every time we have bought a dog from her there has always been one available as she doesn't believe in waiting lists (so that scuppers MNetters plans about never buying a dog immediately) and she's has never once checked into our background / whether circs have changed with future dogs. Mum and puppies were kept in a kennel in an outhouse and were checked on every few hours with puppies being brought inside for 30 mins socialisation a day.
On the other hand buying our cross breed (which we decided to do as previous breeder had stopped breeding) the breeder checked out our background, working patterns etc before even letting us view the pups, we saw pups with mum constantly via videos sent to us and in person and we have had lots of communication since bringing her home. Mum and dad we're both KC registered and health tested and mum and pups lived in the family home in the conservatory with lots of socialisation going on.
We were wary of buying a cross breed but she's honestly been the best dog we have had, no health issues in 4 years and was so much easier to settle into our family and train (I know that could just be here temperament though).
What I'm trying to say after all that waffling is that all 'backyard breeders' shouldn't be tarred under the same brush on MN. Yes there are big issues with puppy farms and people breeding for profit with no care for the dogs but just because someone has bought a cross breed doesn't mean they are stupid and irresponsible and inferring that they are doesn't help the situation at all and puts people of asking for help leaving the dogs in a worse situation.

@Caross how did pup get on at the vets? Hope your little one got a clean bill of health.

@midnightstar66 thank you. He got on great.
Eyes clean and bright, teeth all in line, ears clean, heart sounds healthy. Vet said everyone in there was in love with him (I couldn’t go in with him due to restrictions)
They are restarting one of his vaccinations just to be safe. Very healthy, lovable boy.

Great news. Ours had her first walk last night she was so brave. We met cyclists, skateboarders and huge dogs and took it all in her stride. You've got lots of fun times ahead. Glad all went well and probably safest to restart with all the confusion.