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Following on from my other thread....if you have a male dog that dosnt wee in your house overnight

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snowdrop6 · 08/05/2019 12:12

What does your evening routine look like? When is his last walk.? When is the door shut for a wee in the garden ,where does he sleep and what time are you up in a morning with him.
3 wees this morning,and my house now smells 😢😢

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adaline · 08/05/2019 15:54

Mine has never weed in the house overnight, even as a very small puppy.

When he was very young, we took him out before bed and got up twice in the night, then were up for the day around 6am and had his morning wee then.

He's now 15 months and has his final wee before bed and can easily hold it until gone 8/9am if he so chooses.

adaline · 08/05/2019 15:57

Oh, and he's not neutered. Neutering won't solve a toileting problem.

Purplecatshopaholic · 08/05/2019 16:14

My boy goes out in the garden before bed, so around 11pm. He sleeps in the bed with me and gets up when I do, generally quite early and goes out again then - depends on work what time we are talking, but he has never had an accident in the house. If he needed to go out before I took him out, he paces and whines and that is my cue to take him out. I think it depends on the dog - some have more cast-iron bladders than others...

BiteyShark · 08/05/2019 16:36

I feel out of my depth.

I suspect it's the same as when you get the puppy blues. You just have the rescue blues instead and it will pass with time.

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snowdrop6 · 08/05/2019 18:12

Thanks ..yes rescue blues🤦‍♀️
I do ❤️Him thou🥴

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snowdrop6 · 08/05/2019 18:15

I was wondering if it was the breed? ..little dog 4kg ..little bladder .hes a min pin.

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TheHodgeoftheHedge · 08/05/2019 18:20

I hate to break this to you OP but min pins are known for being hard to housetrain.

Is this your first boy dog btw? The peeing frequently on walks is absolutely standard scent marking - pretty typical and just FYI male dogs do not always have to cock their leg to pee, although it is common.

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snowdrop6 · 08/05/2019 18:22

He’s cocking on everything on a walk ..you can’t really call it a walk..two of us have to go now as he’s so slow my other dog wasn’t getting enough exercise.

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snowdrop6 · 08/05/2019 18:22

Second boy dog..had whippet baby before,he sadly died age 9

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adaline · 08/05/2019 18:42

Pretty much all male dogs pee constantly on walks - I know mine does! He's getting better now he's growing up a bit but he still stops fairly often to scent, especially in busy dog-walking areas.

You need to train him to walk next to you on a leash so he doesn't have the chance to scent all the time.

AgathaF · 08/05/2019 19:04

Can you get them a pen to sleep in at night? So beds in the crate and door closed when you're not around to supervise. He shouldn't mark in there as it's his bed. Then, out at your bedtime, maybe set an alarm to take him out once overnight, just so you are sure his bladder isn't full, then out again first thing in the morning.

AgathaF · 08/05/2019 19:07

Teach him a 'leave it' command, and also a 'go sniff' command afterwards. We do this with ours so that he isn't allowed to sniff at every lamp post, tree and bush when walking on lead, just a few once we have given the go sniff command. Once off lead in the fields he sniffs and pees as he wants to.

LittleLongDog · 08/05/2019 21:36

Not sure if this will help or is possible but could you teach him a command to wee? My male mini dachshund chooses to cock his leg on everything on a walk but will also (usually) do a big squatting wee in the garden if told to go ‘wee wees’.

He’s not reliably house trained though so I don’t feel like much help!

Scattyhattie · 09/05/2019 00:12

My male was neutered at 6 months (personally feel thats too young) & is big on scent marking outside so don't expect that to change. If i interact and play fun training games where he may get treats he tends to forget about marking for a while but they get a lot of mental stimulation sniffing.

Its not unusual for dogs to need a refresher in new places but he may never have been reliably house trained. If a UTI has been ruled out, I think you'll need to go back to training like he's puppy & take outside rather than just letting them into a garden as need to be there in order to reward toileting in right place.
If unsettled at night I'd probably opt to have in crate in bedroom then aim to move back downstairs in time, with benefit can then hear more easily if restless & needs toilet.

You could use those dog play pen panels to separate an area off so they don't have free roam.

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snowdrop6 · 09/05/2019 19:44

Thankyou so much for all the replies,just wanted to update you all.
I’m feeling much more positive ( saw my counsellor today and she helped me put things in perspective)
Anyway last night he went (they went) for a 7 pm to 8 pm walk..then I settled them as usual on their sofa ,
no wee anywhere this morning.couldnt belive it.😁
.today they have had 3 walks ,and they have just got home from the last walk ,he did so many wees..I’m just going to settle them,and fingers crossed for no wee in the morning

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LittleLongDog · 09/05/2019 19:54

That’s great news! Fingers crossed for tonight!

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snowdrop6 · 09/05/2019 21:56

I forgot to say ...I’ve gone back to basics as many people suggested,after food ,after play ,after sleep ,I’m taking the both out in the garden to wee.
I say hurry up ,hurry up .and my little girl knows to wee.so he’s been watching,and once tonight he went to where she weed and did one as well..so huge fuss all round 😁

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snowdrop6 · 10/05/2019 08:01

Bad night ..he’s weed all up my sons £700 computer tower.
It’s all open plan downstairs..I can’t shut him in anywhere .going to have to buy a cage by the of look things.

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adaline · 10/05/2019 08:22

How old is the new dog? I would never leave mine out and unattended (especially with free reign) overnight and he's 15 months now.

The thing with dogs is you need to control their environment for them so they're safe and secure. Don't set them up to fail by giving them too much freedom.

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 10/05/2019 08:36

Going back to basics (especially for a small dog) is going out every single hour. And if he can’t be dry overnight, that includes getting up in the night.
You need to restrict his movement at night. Baby gates. Baby pens. Crates. All of these are easy options.

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snowdrop6 · 10/05/2019 08:43

Belive me I have tried gates and pen thing you put across a room as a divider.he can jump like you wouldn’t belive..he just jumps a stair gate .

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BiteyShark · 10/05/2019 08:49

As mentioned on your other thread I think you need to accept that he doesn't understand.

Even though you took him for walks and he peed lots doesn't mean he won't need to do it in the night. I know for a fact if my dog walks about at night he will want a pee, the difference is that he knows to ask me (bark or find me and nudge me) and I will let him out.

I think you need to accept it's going to take time and there is no quick fix. You may need a combination of getting up, confinement and training over a number of weeks before you can start to think he is housetrained overnight.

You mention it's open plan downstairs. Either sleep closer to him, set alarms for pee breaks and or use baby monitors to see what is happening. Try and confine him to a 'safe' area or let him sleep close to you upstairs so you can hear him get up. Getting a pen or crate might be useful but if he isn't used to one you need to accept that will also need training as well.

adaline · 10/05/2019 08:50

Get two stair gates and put them one on top of the other, so they block the entire doorway. Put the top one upside down with lock at the bottom and the bottom one the normal way up (so like a stable door but with baby gates) so he can't get through.

He has too much freedom overnight - that's your problem. You have one dog that's reliable and safe uncrated but your new dog has shown numerous times that he can't cope with that kind of set-up.

AgathaF · 10/05/2019 08:50

You need a decent height pen to enclose him when you are not able to monitor him. You're not going to crack this issue whilst you allow the dog to have free reign over your house. He shouldn't be able to get near the computer/furniture/tv/whatever at night until he is reliable. You're really setting him up to fail, which is unfair.

harrypotterfan1604 · 10/05/2019 09:06

I have a large dog who easily jumps normal baby gates, there’s such a thing as a let gate which is much higher try one of those. I think I got mine from Argos.
The advice I gave earlier in the thread was to set an alarm over night and get up numerous times to take him out to pee. Just because he has had lots of wees on a walk doesn’t mean he won’t need to go again.
If anything he’s likely to go more because when he comes home from a walk he’s probably going to be thirsty and Drink a lot.

One of my dogs was difficult to toilet train overnight and the only way we cracked it was by getting up a lot overnight.
It took a good few months of doing this and lengthening the time inbetween get ups slowly and if she had an accident we shorted the time inbetween gets up again.

It is not a quick fix!
A crate may work but he will need training to be happy in it you can’t just throw him in it and expect him to be ok it’s not fair.