Would you buy puppies from brother/sister parents?

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Never posted here before so please be kind.

My sister has cockerpoos. A brother and sister.

She’s just had another litter of 8 puppies and is looking to sell them for megabucks.

Would you buy one based on their genes?

Report to HMRC

Apart from the fact that they are not a 'breed', and therefore not able to be KC registered (the KC do not accept brother/sister mother/son father/daughter makings anyway) she obviously has NO knowledge about breeding dogs, healthcare, health tests or care of a whelping bitch or new born puppies, I would be making sure I was doing my best to prevent this happening a 3rd time!!

She IS a back yard breeder, and unfortunately the rspca will not be interested, although her local council may be, as she is purposely breeding for profit, so may require a breeding licence as they may consider her running a business from home

• I wouldn't BUY a cockerpoo.
• I wouldn't buy from someone who just bred two pets for the hell of it.
• I wouldn't buy from such a closely related pairing.

But mostly I wouldn't buy from someone with such little regard for the welfare of their animals and with such a corrupted and disgusting lack of moral compass.

Someone with equally low moral standards will buy them, though. They will convince thmselves they are sweet, happy puppies from a family home to assuage their guilt. They will be willfully and deliberately ignorant of the devastation they helped perpetuate. They will probably describe themselves as 'dog lovers' - though will be far from it.

Both the 'breeder' and the buyers make me despair.

The vet did NOT say that.

I suspect he did colditz

Wild cockerpoos famously interbreed.

They differ from almost every other type of wild canid ever, in that regard.

There’s such as thing as wild cockapoos?

Yeah, they roam the plains of Africa scavenging from kibble bushes

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As someone who has bought a poodle cross breed even I find this a disgrace and feel sorry for the bitch. When I bought mine I wanted to see the blood test results for both parentsand would expect any buyer to want the same. I would not have bought from a bitch repeatedly mated (just don’t agree with it) and would never buy from a family cross.

Clearly doesn't give a shit about the health & welfare of the pups because if she did she wouldn't mate closely related dogs. Actually, if she gave a shit she wouldn't breed them full stop. Vile creature

No.
I would forcibly take her dogs to the vet and have them neutered with the proceeds of the megabucks puppies.
Absolutely tragic.

Not taking the puppies who died to the vet is neglect... as in it’s a criminal act covered by the animal welfare act.

It’s also disgusting that they’re willing to make money from their dogs, but not spend it on medical treatment.

Your sister is a vile cunt

Report her to the rspca for cruelty

Dear lord please say you’ve reported her.

If you don’t you’re complicit and allowing her to do it again. Just a thought.

I’m just gauging reactions as I’ve never had a dog and although I’m disgusted by it, many seem to think it’s ok.

I told my sister in law who’s also shocked, that I would ask Mumsnet to get a proper reply.

This is horrific. Totally unfit owner. No way did the Vet say anything of the sort.

Just to give you an idea of what a responsible breeder looks like, here's my experience of buying our KC registered pedigree in November:

1. The bitch has only had 2 litters (by the same stud), 3 years apart and has since been speyed.

2. We have a certificate showing 5 generations of pedigree, clearly no related animals. Pup is KC registered.

3. Pup was microchipped, vaccinated, worm treated, flea treated and covered by the breeders pet insurance for 5 weeks.

4. The breeder vetted us to make sure they were comfortable that we were the right owners, knew what we were getting ourselves into and would be likely to give him a good life.

5. We had to sign a contract agreeing to a number of conditions; we cannot breed from him, we cannot take him outside the UK, we cannot keep him in an outside kennel and if for whatever reason we cannot keep him he must be returned to the breeder.

Does any of that sound like what your sister is doing? Thought not.

Anyway leaving aside the neglect.

Nope, I would never ever buy a puppy from a brother and sister mating, the kennel club which is hardly a bastion of welfare won’t even register a litter that closely bred, that’s how unethical it is.

You have the potential of every dodgy gene being doubled, that’s health and behaviour as a potential timebomb even if they seemed fine as puppies.

And there’s no way on earth any vet said it was fine.

It's really not OK.

Just take one aspect of this - your sister allowed two puppies to starve to death because she couldn't be bothered to find out why they weren't feeding properly. Not just that she hadn't put medical care in place to support her dog, which could have died whelping them - she didn't even care enough to check why two puppies were dying.

That's not even taking the genetic issues involved in such close breeding into account. Come on. Does that sound like a responsible human being?

The vet didn’t say that. No way.

If she’s advertising dogs for sale then she legally needs to be licensed by the local authority and to meet the requirements of the animal welfare act
www.cfsg.org.uk/The%20Animal%20Welfare%20Licensing%20of%20Activities%20Involvi/d.%20Dog%20Breeding%20Guidance%20Revised%2030.11.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fviewa%2Easpx%3FList%3D762be807%252D8137%252D4b0c%252Db21f%252D45e2d7b54f98%26View%3D3d3ba913%252Df53a%252D460b%252Da74d%252D7fb724a87327

As she’s doing neither of these things she’s acting illegally.

I would do everything I could to make sure that any prospective buyer knew that the puppies are a result of a brother sister mating, eve if I had to stand outside her house and tell anybody who turned up there. I'd also plaster the information all over Facebook and report her to as many organisations as possible, rspca, HMRC, etc, although I'm not sure if any of them could do anything. I'd want to make it as difficult as possible for her to sell the puppies so that she is deterred from doing this wholly irresponsible action ever again.

Similarly experience to poster above even though mine is a poodle cross type

1. The bitch has only had 1 litter and has since been spayed.
2. I have the genetic blood tests for the health tests for both parent, no problems with relations as poodle cross.
3. Pup was microchipped, vaccinated (next 2 round of jabs were pre-paid by breeder) wormed & fleaed, 4 weeks free insurance, bag of wood and blanket with mums smell.
4. The breeder asked so many questions especially around care plans as we work and did home visit.
5. We had to sign a contract; we cannot breed from him and if we cannot keep him he must be returned to the breeder and no refund given.

All similar to when I have had pedigrees in the past - if any breeder was not the same or as selective I would be walking, never mind handing over large amounts of cash

The local council is responsible for enforcing the Breeding and Sale of Dogs Act - please report her. It will be difficult and you may not want to but she needs to be properly educated about why what she is doing is wrong, and they will be the best placed to do it.

Those poor puppies.

Puppies with cleft palates tend not to starve to death they tend to die of aspiration pneumonia and even worse death.

the reactions here are very full on.