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Unwanted dog mating, prevent pregnancy?

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talksensetome · 01/01/2017 15:19

My boyfriend has two dogs, a bitch rottweiler and a pedigree Belgian malinous, the bitch is two and a half and in season. He stupidly let them out together as he thought the dog was too young at 9 months to lock on to her.

As it happens he has. Obviously it is not a good idea to cross those breeds and the pregnancy won't be going ahead. Is yhe really a way to prevent a pregnancy like the morning after pill for dogs?

He is going to ring around the vets and see if there is one open today.

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Hairymary90 · 01/01/2017 18:42

Please don't panic, or for that matter take everything written on mumsnet as solid and good veterinary advice. The dogs will be fine. Talk to the vet tomorrow.

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talksensetome · 01/01/2017 18:43

I dont know why he hasn't had her spayed but he is definitely going to terminate any potential pregnancy. I have spoken to him on the phone and he is pretty stressed about it.
I don't think it is a desirable cross? If he was going to breed her surely it would make more sense to do it with another rottweiler?

Just for the record I don't agree with breeding dogs unless you are a proper breeder and have had my own dog neutered.

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talksensetome · 01/01/2017 18:44

Thanks Hairy!

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Shriek · 01/01/2017 19:28

These 'morning after' pills are not the same as for humans and are very much only emergency because of how awfully they can affect the bitch.So i'm not sure what part of that is in any way anything than awful for the bitch and ive seen that first hand .

Also yes, mating after spay (dependent upon spay type) can cause damage to bitch.

Shriek · 01/01/2017 19:30

Vets frequently haveno clue to the effects going on out of surgery unless they have these for themselves. Vets are not gods.

pigsDOfly · 01/01/2017 23:45

For someone who has taken on the responsibility of two dogs he seems woefully ignorant about them and the way they function.

Poor bloody dogs.

sarahnova69 · 02/01/2017 13:08

He needs to talk to the vet about the kindest way to end the pregnancy for the bitch ASAP, but ultimately he really really really needs to get both his dogs fixed. It is really irresponsible of him to have kept her unfixed this long, why on earth did he do that? Much less leave her in season with an unfixed male!

Shriek · 02/01/2017 13:24

Btw - he should probably need to know that ddog conception is far from the hit and miss affair it is for humans. A bitch will only uncommonly NOT conceive after a mating. So absolutely assume pregant now and due to age and his irresponsible attitude the sooner a spay the better as capilliaires will now be increasing in blood flow and tissue breakdown easier. Urgent spay.

Shriek · 02/01/2017 13:26

So glad these poor ddogs have you looking out fortheir welfare

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talksensetome · 02/01/2017 16:51

I spoke to the vets this morning and they recommended the Alizin injections then allowing her to come into season again before spaying her. She can come into season earlier this time.

He is planning to stud the male as he is apparently from a special bloodline for that breed, his dad and granddad are 'a big deal' in the dog world and the trainers/breeders near us are a national organisation concerning working dogs so he will stud through them. Again I am clueless about these things.

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TrionicLettuce · 02/01/2017 16:56

Is this your boyfriend's first Mal?

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talksensetome · 02/01/2017 17:09

Sorry I don't know what a Mal is?

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Shriek · 02/01/2017 17:10

Really shocked at him. Money-maker.

Also surprised at vet not spaying (considering 'surprise' at situation)

So Sad and cross at him.

What was your vet's rationale for encouraging another season?

sparechange · 02/01/2017 17:14

He is planning to stud the dog because he wants cash and no other reason.

At 9 months, he can't possibly know if the dog is any good as a working dog and therefore is a line worth passing on. Is he planning to get the elbows scored before putting him to stud? I would put money on not

I'm not sure how you reconcile your dislike for backyard breeders with going out with someone who plans to make his pocket money by being just that.
No reputable breeder is going to use your boyfriend's dog as a stud. The only people who would go to him are other people looking to make a quick buck from breeding their bitch.
And so the cycle of puppies being churned out to idiot homes continues. Ffs.

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talksensetome · 02/01/2017 17:20

He is planning on studing out through the breeder that he got his pup from, they are a national breeding/training organisation.

From what I understand his pup will be desirable because of his dad/grandad and as the organisation is a reputable one they will know all of the correct procedure etc that is to be followed. They are not back yard breeders.

I have no idea why the vet advised that? I just asked what they recommend for a mismate and how to handle it. They said either have the injection x 2 in two weeks time or you can wait 4 weeks and have a scan and then terminate if the dog is pregnant. Then spay after the next season.

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OneWithTheForce · 02/01/2017 17:39

Ugh! At both the vet and this asshole who shouldn't be in charge of one dog let alone breeding them. So infuriating.

Shriek · 02/01/2017 17:46

Did the vet not have any backstory to go on?

You have phoned and spoken to a vet but ddog not been seen yet?

I am really confused about this 'plan' of his! Does the breeder know of his 'plan'? As if the (reputable) breeder was involved he would already have shown and won with this dpup (which means you would know as dpup would have disappeared for overnights for shows handled by the breeder's handler or is your boyfriend also ring-craft trained and paying all costs involved as well as holding certs of health (costly breed health tests bvac)

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talksensetome · 02/01/2017 17:46

I dont think he will be responsible for the breeding bit, that is left to the professionals, he just has to turn up with the dog and the relevant paperwork/health checks and then his involvement is done?

This is a fairly new relationship and until yesterday I didn't even know his dogs hadn't been done so I don't know all of the ins and outs of his plans it hadn't come up before now. Must admit though I am less than impressed with his stupidity here.

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TrionicLettuce · 02/01/2017 17:46

Mal is a common abbreviation for Malinois, sorry OP I realise this isn't your dog!!

I was asking if it was his first as if so it's quite surprising that a breeder would allow a working line Mal pup who they think is a likely contender for being worthy of breeding from in the future to go to someone inexperienced with the breed.

Do you know the name of the organisation in question?

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talksensetome · 02/01/2017 17:50

Sorry Shriek I can't answer any of those questions, I genuinely dobt know the answers, I have only been seeing the guy for a couple of months and I know nothing of breeding/showing/training dogs. I know the dad and grandad of his pup have won lots of awards and the bf is a badge holding dog handler who works for the breeder in another aspect of the business.
That's the total limit of my knowledge.

The vet hasn't seen the dog, I rang this morning and asked how to handle a mismate, they asked the breed and approx weight and told me the cost of the injections and said about spaying after the next season.

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Shriek · 02/01/2017 17:52

So either breeder is completely DISreputable or he's lying.

Breeder has no idea of his 'abilities' until shown/won or working tests completed and won (but too young) and all health tests passed successfully.
All currently unknown and unproven. Only thing he has 'proven' for himselfis that he can service a bitch .But a true breeder would not be happy about there due to potential probs as a result .

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talksensetome · 02/01/2017 17:53

Trionic I don't even know if the breeder knows of his plan to breed with them or of its just an idea he has got into his head.

This is his first Mal as far as I know. He works for the breeder/trainer he got it from and they trained him/pup.

I have a vague idea of the name but it could be quite outing if I put it on.

The grandad of his pup is called Big Roy Pegge though who apparently is a big deal in the Mal world?

I am just repeating what he has said though so it could all be rubbish.

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OneWithTheForce · 02/01/2017 18:05

I dont think he will be responsible for the breeding bit,

If he allows his dog to mate he is responsible for everything that happens to the bitch and the pups from that point forward.

OneWithTheForce · 02/01/2017 18:10

Hang on, so this guy has bought a quality breed from a reputable breeder who he works for yet he didn't know his dog would mate, didn't know what to do after it happened and instead of contacting the breeder for advice and using their vet he has his very new girlfriend ring some random vet despite her not having any experience of any of the breeds or mating or anything?

Hmm either you or we are being spun a big line here.

OneWithTheForce · 02/01/2017 18:12

And what responsible vet tells a proven irresponsible owner to keep an intact female with an intact male for her next season? On what planet is that good advice?