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My dogs killed a cat :(

216 replies

habibihabibi · 26/02/2016 15:55

I have come home to find my two small poodle cross breed dogs have just torn a small cat apart in our (walled) back garden . I feel sick , they normally take a beating from rowling Tom's whose path them cross on walks on lead.

There is no collar on the poor thing and though we have many strays in the area it looks fancy . Do I have to go door knocking round the neighbourhood ?
Am I liable for anything ?

OP posts:
AppleSetsSail · 29/02/2016 11:40

I absolutely don't have to compromise! What a ridiculous thing to suggest. If YOU have a problem with YOUR pet roaming, it is 100% YOUR problem to fix.

Agreed. Hennifer you seem intent on obfuscating property rights when you make statements such as:

It seems like the pro dog view is, keep your cat indoors so my dog can be free to use the garden - or don't get a cat.

I will continue to use my garden however I see fit, because I own it. This includes allowing my dog in the garden unsupervised, she likes to be out there hours a day and I am certainly not going to watch her.

Conversely,

And the pro cat view is, keep your dog indoors (or supervise it) so my cat can go where it wants to, or don't have a dog.

This is not true. You can let your cat go wherever it wants, but at her own risk. Like everyone, really (except dogs, they're not allowed - fair enough).

Hennifer · 29/02/2016 12:06

Nope, obfuscating property rights, I can safely say, was very far from my intent.

I may have used the wrong small word just there, for which I can only apologise.

I think, or hope, that my drift was however clear.

AppleSetsSail · 29/02/2016 12:28

There have been some blithe comments regarding dog owners supervising their dogs in the garden, though, don't you agree? Which actually amounts to supervising the neighbour's cats.

And, building cat escape routes.

This all strikes me as an infringement upon my property rights, and I don't think I'm reading much into it.

Floralnomad · 29/02/2016 12:29

chrissie , the OP has stated that she has trellis up 2 of the walls , the problem in this case seems to be that it was an unhealthy cat that hadn't got the capacity to escape . I'm a dog owner ,I have normal 6' wooden fences and my dog is only allowed in part of the garden anyway , I have no intention of making my garden more ' cat escape friendly' , if a cat comes in it does so at its own peril .I don't have cats so I don't have to consider them in my garden design, to me that would be like saying to my neighbours not to have bulbs in their gardens in case my dog were to escape and dig them up and eat them ( daff bulbs are poisonous to dogs) - utterly ridiculous.

DaggerEyes · 29/02/2016 12:30

I think your drift was that cats, and cat people, have more rights than dogs and dog people....including the use of their property under your terms.
I think Hennifer, if you lived next door to a yapping dog....your attitude would be that the owner should somehow curtail the animals natural tendencies in order to live in an urban setting? Like, training, and control. But cats, and their owners face no such obligation, because........?

Hennifer · 29/02/2016 12:34

Well, Dagger, you are wrong, then. That wasn't my drift. I was trying to put the arguments on both sides, and my own conclusion that neither could win without significantly inconveniencing the other.

But clearly you have managed to read some bias into my post, which I hadn't intended, and so be it.

I'm not entering into another argument, I've said as much as I want to.

AppleSetsSail · 29/02/2016 12:37

I think Hennifer, if you lived next door to a yapping dog....your attitude would be that the owner should somehow curtail the animals natural tendencies in order to live in an urban setting? Like, training, and control. But cats, and their owners face no such obligation, because........?

True. I would certainly complain if my neighbour had a dog that barked, no two ways about it. But I can't complain if I have a cat in my garden (that makes my dog go bonkers) or if the cat poops in my garden, or even if it sits outside meowing endlessly - which is less annoying than barking in the short-term, but not the medium or long

Since I moved into my house 6 years ago, I've had a neighbour in very bad health who has cats. It has ranged from a minor to major inconvenience throughout the years. I'm not suggesting that she not have cats, before anyone jumps down my throat, just that there are a lot of people who don't recognise the burden that cats impose upon their neighbours.

DaggerEyes · 29/02/2016 12:39

It's not about winning though!? I'm not a 'side', I just have a garden. My garden. No, I'm not going to build escape routes. No, I wouldn't watch my dog. I wouldn't be doing this to 'win', I'd do it because it's my garden.

But, do you not agree that yappy dog owners are expected to control their dogs natural urges? So why not cat owners?

Hennifer · 29/02/2016 12:41

Again, I've said all I want to say - I'm sure someone else will be along to discuss this with you in a bit.

PlasmaMiasma · 29/02/2016 12:53

How awful for the OP.

I will admit that if my dogs killed a cat (they are both in awe of my cat but love to chase other cats) I would clear it up and not mention it to a living soul.

I'd feel really bad about it, and part of me would want to let the owner know, but some pet owners are nuts and you never know what the consequences might be.

MackerelOfFact · 29/02/2016 13:08

Cats have a right to roam, which means owners also have to come to terms with the risks of them being outside unsupervised - getting run over, falling into holes or ponds, getting stuck, poisoned, lost, trapped or attacked by a predator.

It's unfortunate that these risks exist, but you can't expect the entire world to be cat-proofed to prevent their furry demise. The vast majority of people aren't out to deliberately kill cats, they just don't give them much thought - and why should they, if they haven't chosen to own a cat?

The irony of course is that cats invite themselves into gardens and kill all manner of wildlife, some of it endangered!

MyBreadIsEggy · 29/02/2016 13:21

Must have been horrible for you to find the cat OP Sad
I'm a cat owner, but I'm with the "dog people" on this one. If my cat roamed into someone else's garden, and was killed by a dog, that wouldn't be the fault of the owner or the dog - it would be the fault of my cat going into the dogs' territory. It's no different to my girl killing the mice/rats/rabbits/birds that she frequently leaves on my patio! My cat is a savage when it comes to pigeons Blush but it's her natural instinct to kill the pigeon that perches on our fence!

Ludways · 29/02/2016 13:46

The only things (that I'm aware of) that have tried to kill my cat is next doors cats. They are horrible to her, they stalk her and hunt her down, they attack her several times s week. This happens mostly in our garden.

What do those who think we should be responsible for dogs behaviour but not cats think, can I make the owners of the other cats responsible for their behaviour or is it just what cats do?

PonderLand · 29/02/2016 14:09

I think the most you can do habib is ring your local vet and ask if you can bring the cat in to be scanned.

As a cat owner I would be upset about the event but at no point would I blame the natural instinct of another animal. After all, the reason the cat was probably risking it in the garden in the first place was due to hunting. Why else would a cat go into a closed space that has two dogs!?

Some PP's are trying to put human morals and values onto animals and it just doesn't work that way. I let my cat roam free and we have chickens and dogs on the farm, and each of them looks after themselves and knows where is safe. They're independent free-thinking animals and to take that away from them and make them house bound is even more inhumane IMO.

Floralnomad · 29/02/2016 14:16

ponderland , the cat has been scanned ,there is no chip and the vet said it was undernourished and probably a sick stray .

CatWithKittens · 05/03/2016 11:02

It is worth remembering the end of the Just So Story of the Cat That Walked By Himself:

Then the Woman laughed and set the Cat a bowl of the warm white milk and said, ‘O Cat, you are as clever as a man, but remember that your bargain was not made with the Man or the Dog, and I do not know what they will do when they come home.’

‘What is that to me?’ said the Cat. ‘If I have my place in the Cave by the fire and my warm white milk three times a day I do not care what the Man or the Dog can do.’

That evening when the Man and the Dog came into the Cave, the Woman told them all the story of the bargain while the Cat sat by the fire and smiled. Then the Man said, ‘Yes, but he has not made a bargain with me or with all proper Men after me.’ Then he took off his two leather boots and he took up his little stone axe (that makes three) and he fetched a piece of wood and a hatchet (that is five altogether), and he set them out in a row and he said, ‘Now we will make our bargain. If you do not catch mice when you are in the Cave for always and always and always, I will throw these five things at you whenever I see you, and so shall all proper Men do after me.’

‘Ah,’ said the Woman, listening, ‘this is a very clever Cat, but he is not so clever as my Man.’

The Cat counted the five things (and they looked very knobby) and he said, ‘I will catch mice when I am in the Cave for always and always and always; but still I am the Cat who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.’

‘Not when I am near,’ said the Man. ‘If you had not said that last I would have put all these things away for always and always and always; but I am now going to throw my two boots and my little stone axe (that makes three) at you whenever I meet you. And so shall all proper Men do after me!’

Then the Dog said, ‘Wait a minute. He has not made a bargain with me or with all proper Dogs after me.’ And he showed his teeth and said, ‘If you are not kind to the Baby while I am in the Cave for always and always and always, I will hunt you till I catch you, and when I catch you I will bite you. And so shall all proper Dogs do after me.’

‘Ah,’ said the Woman, listening, ‘this is a very clever Cat, but he is not so clever as the Dog.’

Cat counted the Dog’s teeth (and they looked very pointed) and he said, ‘I will be kind to the Baby while I am in the Cave, as long as he does not pull my tail too hard, for always and always and always. But still I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.’

‘Not when I am near,’ said the Dog. ‘If you had not said that last I would have shut my mouth for always and always and always; but now I am going to hunt you up a tree whenever I meet you. And so shall all proper Dogs do after me.’

Then the Man threw his two boots and his little stone axe (that makes three) at the Cat, and the Cat ran out of the Cave and the Dog chased him up a tree; and from that day to this, Best Beloved, three proper Men out of five will always throw things at a Cat whenever they meet him, and all proper Dogs will chase him up a tree. But the Cat keeps his side of the bargain too. He will kill mice and he will be kind to Babies when he is in the house, just as long as they do not pull his tail too hard. But when he has done that, and between times, and when the moon gets up and night comes, he is the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to him. Then he goes out to the Wet Wild Woods or up the Wet Wild Trees or on the Wet Wild Roofs, waving his wild tail and walking by his wild lone.

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