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Do you think this unethical practice? And is there anything I can do?

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EveryLittleThing · 19/01/2016 14:17

Ok - am prepared for "I told you so" but hope that you won't as what I need right now is help Sad

I posted on here recently asking advice on choosing a cockapoo. I explained that I had put a deposit on a planned litter (show cocker mum) but was then offered the chance of a puppy from a litter (working cocker mum) just born that had one extra puppy in it. The deal was that I was offered the chance to visit the puppy and if it didn't suit I would remain on the list that I had paid the deposit on.

Well, having considered all the helpful advice that I had received on the thread, I thought perhaps I should take more time to consider my options. Especially as we have had some family circumstances arise which I have found rather stressful and I didn't want to make such an important decision whilst I feel unable to think clearly. So I emailed the breeder and explained that we were not in a position to continue at the present time and could she return the deposit.

She has refused telling me that she had turned away good families and that she would now have to go to the trouble of re-opening the list.

My issues are as follows:

A) I asked breeder to email me T&C at the time of deposit - she didn’t
B) I dont recall her at any point telling me the deposit was non-refundable
C) the deposit I gave was for the next litter - not the current one - as far as I am aware at the time of the deposit the list for that planned litter had not even been opened.
D) our deposit was not transferred to the first list as she suggests - She told us explicitly that we would remain on the 2nd bitch’s list and just have the option of a pup from the first litter - i.e. we were merely offered a chance to have a puppy sooner if we wanted one.
E) given that we were on the second list, which has barely been opened, the deposit should be fully refundable as she would NOT yet have had to turn anyone away - the bitch isn’t even in season yet for heaven's sake, let alone pregnant.
F) surely this goes against best practice for breeders - I don't think she should even have taken a deposit until she had at least confirmed a pregnancy.

I spoke to a KC breeder about another breed that was recommended to me from a poster on my last thread - she said she never takes a deposit until her puppies have reached the ground.

I feel really let down. I know I shouldn't have ever given her a deposit in the first place, but is there anything I can do or have I lost my deposit?

Sad and Blush

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BooAvenue · 21/01/2016 15:15

Well obviously if the families didn't get a puppy for whatever reason I would give the deposit back Confused bit of a no brainier really.

DrunkenUnicorn · 21/01/2016 15:23

Wannabe, surely in that circumstance prospective owners get deposit back- as breeder unable to supply a puppy. The deal usually is- purchaser changes mind and doesn't want available puppy, (or in this case potential available puppy) they lose deposit, if the breeder can no longer supply a puppy then they give it back. That's always been my experience anyway.

Maybe I didn't make my post very clear!! No one had paid deposits on puppies in the example I gave. It was the breeder who lost the stud fee of 500 (plus all the other considerable expenses). It's different in different breeds, but in my breed you pay for a stud SERVICE not puppies, so if your birch doesn't take, or loses the puppies you usually get a free return (one more 'go' as it were) but that's it. That's the agreement and it is what it is. Sorry I didn't mean to confuse anyone!

Shriek · 21/01/2016 16:56

same here for stud fees, vets bills for bitches/any dpups, FOOD! I am not aware of service for dpups, unless breeder after a pick of litter dpup for themselves in return, mostly its just pay the fee regardless of success but mainly get a return visit free if unsuccessful this time round. Healthy bitches timed right should conceive.

Sorry if i went overboard on the 'despicable' front! there are many with their hearts in the animals place, but there are those notsomuch and its such a worry how the punter can possibly work out the difference in many cases.

Shriek · 21/01/2016 17:00

... but from having read further up it seems this breeder is using dodgy practices? x-breeding dpups do not have registered KC pedigree's and cannot belong to a registered breed club.

x-breeding is completely unregulated and as far as i'm aware, most importantly, have no standard health checking requirements which is bad for ddogs and those spending hard earned dosh on buying them. What massive profits they must make if they are not even doing health checks, and yet charging really high prices, plus taking such high deposits

DrunkenUnicorn · 21/01/2016 17:13

The 'service' being the ahem 'act' plus all advice beforehand, eg when to bring her, care in pregnancy, etc up until puppies leave, forwarding any enquired if people looking for puppies from their dog.

DrunkenUnicorn · 21/01/2016 17:15

But I doubt you get that level of help with your average byb stud dog...

Shriek · 21/01/2016 17:56

yes drunken - reputable stud cares about where progeny come from and will forward enquiries; as will owner /breeder of bitch vet potential new owners and be there for backup/advice for the benefit of the precious dpup.

EveryLittleThing · 21/01/2016 22:39

Hi all - so sorry have had a very difficult day today - will read through and get back to you all tomorrow - off to try and sleep now. [tired face]

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