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New Puppy Mummies No. 4

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SallyBear · 30/01/2014 10:52

Have we really got to a fourth thread already?! Grin Wow.

Please feel free to join in.

I have Toby, who is a 7 month old foxy coloured Labrador.

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TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 19/02/2014 10:23

We've gone for petplan. We've used them for our other dogs and had to claim a few times for quite large amounts and for protracted illness and they've been brilliant. I perfectly happy to pay a small amount more a month for the cover they've given us. Was surprised by the price though, thought Roo's was higher because of her age but they do seem to have just gone up as Griffs's is only a couple of pounds cheaper at £25. I wonder if it's because Roo is technically a cross Breed whereas griff is a non pedigree wholebreed (can't think of the term)

He is exhausting. Cannot wait for his puppy training to start next month

needastrongone · 19/02/2014 10:26

moose Be kind to yourself. You are feeling awful. You have hardly been out of the house. The puppy has a high level of needs. You actually need a break if you can. Even if you can just go and sit in a cafe with a coffee and large slice of cake and think of nothing but the luxury of having time to yourself.

I work only a few hours a week, but it gives me an opportunity to sit at a desk and engage in a bit of banter, a few giggles and not think about the dogs or what needs doing in the house. I stress about stuff that doesn't ever happen otherwise, like if the dogs are anxious or need to toilet or whether the kids have blown up the house (it's half term!).

Moose, you are important too, take some time.

Sorry - I did think I posted last night but it must have been lost. We use Petplan too and I have been very pleased indeed, and we have claimed a lot in a year. We use another insurer for Dpony, who are not as bad as their reputation suggests, but not as good as Petplan. Harry (Spinger, 16 months, 103848204 claims, £28 per month), Hector (12 week old cocker, £27 per month.

Another advantage of Petplan is that the vet claims direct, so you only pay the excess. I hear good stuff about M&S too just as an aside.

NCISaddict - I do know what you mean, it can be the little stuff that strikes an emotional chord.

mint - we do the sits, waits, leave it commands for the dogs self control more than anything, rather than necessity. I don't conform to any dominance theories, but waiting before coming inside going through doors etc just reinforces good manners for me (and helps with muddy paws!)

NigellasGuest · 19/02/2014 10:51

Anyone asking about doggy daycare, my pup goes once a week for half a day. Highly recommended! if you're in Herts I can give details!

moosemama · 19/02/2014 11:47

Thank you needa, you are very kind. Honestly, just ignore me. I'm a right misery at the moment - probably just need a slap and a swift foot in the rear end!

Good advice re the self-control training. Both mine have to wait before going through doors or being let outside (again, not dominance theory, I often then let them out in front of me, but they have to wait and go through the door in a controlled manner - it's a godsend on walks when trying to negotiate really muddy gateways etc) and both know to stop, wait and offer each paw for cleaning when they come in the back door. They also have to sit for food, treats, to have a toy thrown etc and do it all automatically, without being prompted. I think impulse control is one of the most important things we can teach our dogs to help them fit into human society better - ultimately it means they find living in our world less confusing and stressful.

Nigella, sadly I am a long-way from Herts. I can't find a daycare place locally that will take entire males over 6 months old. I'm considering a local dog-walking company that has a good rep though, as they are behaviourists too and might be able to help with his fearfulness around other dogs. I'm starting to think I may have to employ a walker a few times a week anyway if my health doesn't improve. I really hate letting anyone else walk them though - I'm even tense the whole time dh is out with them. Blush

I have just invested in a new DAP diffuser and some Zylkene tablets for Pip. Trying to have renewed determination and believe we are going to get him sorted - somehow. Hmm

basildonbond · 19/02/2014 14:15

Moose - I'm so sorry you're feeling so rubbish - you're perfectly entitled to have a moan - not self-pity at all - you've had a lot to put up with and if you can feel you're about to have a relapse it's not surprising your mood is less than sunny

Re puppy daycare - Fitz goes one day a week - he absolutely loves it and comes back shattered - the company I've gone with has the dogs at home and then takes them out for proper walks on wimbledon common or Richmond park - Fitz has just 'graduated' to the grown-up walks as the other puppies on the day he went were smaller and less energetic than him - fortuitously two of best doggy friends also go too - the guy who runs it does boarding too so fitz will go to him when we're away at Easter which is much nicer than going to kennels

However I do need to get Fitz neutered before then as he won't board entire males

Re self control - Fitz has to sit and wait for everything - getting out of the car, in and out of doors, before getting toys thrown or food and at the road side - nothing to do with me being in charge, purely good manners and for his and my safety

NCISaddict · 19/02/2014 17:25

I make Finn sit and wait before going anywhere so he doesn't rush through doors/jump out of the car etc. Had a lovely walk today, perfect recall although not many distractions just the gentle thrum of chinooks in the distance!
And no rain!!!!

mintchocchick · 19/02/2014 20:38

Moose - everyone is right, you need to go easy on yourself. There is nothing self pitying about describing health related problems because it's in relation to your dog & puppy so you are explaining your situation and maybe people can help with suggestions or just listening - reading a thread must be the equivalent of listening!

I think if I was worried about a health problem/relapse I would try getting regular dog walking arranged early on so it didn't have to be in a rush. You know, this might be the ideal time for Pip and he'll get used to someone else walking him which might help other issues. Your dogs have such a fabulous home, everything you say and describe demonstrates that, so maybe get yourself that extra bit of support in place to help you. You need to save some of your energy for your own recuperation.

mintchocchick · 19/02/2014 20:44

I love the sound of such well behaved and mannerly puppies! You are all very good to have got that self control in as a priority early on in training.

We haven't and I think it's partly breed related because OES are very easily stimulated and boisterous, so partly that, but also mainly due to the fact I have put less time in to training. Simple as. You get in what you put out and we're doing fine, I'm happy with minty but we could be better for sure. But I'm optimistic because he is still young and learns quickly as long as there's sausage on offer! I will get there with him, just will take longer as I get quite distracted with other things, like work and then do nothing for a week.

Self control is my next on my agenda - the way minty barges in front of me when we walk through a door WILL change!!

moosemama · 19/02/2014 20:49

Thanks mint. I've actually spent a good part of this afternoon researching local dog-walking and daycare providers. So far there's only one I would consider and they don't do daycare, so it would just be walks. All the daycare places round here refuse to take entire dogs over the age of 6 months and some of the dog-walkers do too.

We're thinking of hiring a dog walker and also a cleaner, if we can find one that won't run away screaming when they see the dogs! I know I need to do whatever I can to conserve my energy so I can get better more quickly and to do that I am going to have to loosen my control-freak reins and admit I need some help. It's not going to be easy, but I don't see that I have any choice really.

My two have just had a merry old time extracting kibble from those really thick cardboard inner tubes from tinfoil. I got dh to stand on them and bend the ends in and it took ages for them to actually get through to the kibble.

Oh - and Pip actually slept in the kitchen for two hours this afternoon ... with the kitchen door shut. That's real progress, as he usually whinges as soon as I shut the door. I'm thinking if he carries on this way I may actually be able to go upstairs and have a nap in the day and that will be a good way of testing how long he'll be quiet for if he thinks I'm not in.

mintchocchick · 19/02/2014 20:59

Sweet - you mentioned Nala jumping up as being a problem. I was watching some dog training YouTube videos and came across this guy called David Hogan. He has some really good demos of training a jumpy dog (Tiffany in his video is an OES) but would apply to any jumpy dog. Hope it helps! And hope my pasting of link works as it's my first attempt:-

Racerider · 19/02/2014 21:21

Anyone able to give me tips for loose lead walking ? Beagle is 13 weeks old, settling in well. I've been shown the technique - pup walks on my right and I administer treats every few steps. However it's hard because a) she's so small and I am tall and b) more importantly she's so busy pulling ahead she ignores the treats. She managed ok indoors.
Will it get better as she gets older and is less excitable about the great outdoors or do I need to get it now by persevering? Is it something that takes ages to teach? Changing direction doesn't seem to help either as she's frantically pulling ahead and not hugely motivated by treats. It's frsatrating me !

DH lets her pull and walks very fast which isn't helping Hmm

NCISaddict · 19/02/2014 21:35

I've had problems with my Border Collie and loose lead walking until today. I knew the theory but he didn't and was totally uninterested in treats when on the lead. Today I remembered what my old dog trainer taught me, when you know the lead is going to go tight but before it goes tight give a quick check NOT a yank but more a flick IYSWIM and give the command, I use 'close' then praise the moment the dog returns to where you want it to be. She always said you should never haul your dog back but that the 'flick' was a reminder. Today he moved straight back when I did this, nothing else has worked and he's nearly seven months old.
It worked today for the first time ever, I've been turning round and going the other way and trying to treat but with a non food orientated dog it wasn't having any effect.

barbarianoftheuniverse · 19/02/2014 21:59

We have bought Meg (border collies, 7 months) a Halti chest harness with two attachment points so we use a double ended lead. It has transformed her relentless pulling (we tried all the training tricks for ages and none of them worked). She doesn't seem to mind wearing it at all.
Moose, I hope you are well again soon.
NCIS, well done on the recall. It's suddenly gone down hill here.

NCISaddict · 19/02/2014 22:02

I've got the halti harness and a double ended lead but it still didn't work!
Really pleased with the recall but will not get complacent. Teenagerdom has still to hit!

mintchocchick · 19/02/2014 22:10

I used a harness to reduce pulling then went up to a gentle leader head collar which is like a halti. It does help though some dogs just pull an awful lot when young and really it's time and consistent training that helps most.

The recall sounds good NCIS. I can't remember which of us is using a whistle for recall? I have been whistle training at home and in the garden for weeks though not every day there are so are big time gaps, but I'm wondering when it is sensible to start using it as a command. So far I use the whistle when minty is on his way back to me so it's building the association between running to me, hearing the whistle and getting fab treats. Not sure when to try it as a command without him already being in full pelt towards me? Maybe a solid two weeks of training before we take that step.

NCISaddict · 19/02/2014 22:21

I'm not using a whistle yet, Finn doesn't like going too far from us which is a Border Collie trait, he likes to round us up so calling him seems to work atm. I am so lucky to be able to walk where all the other dogs seem to be well socialised and well trained. Thank you to the British Army although I am feeling a bit old today due to the number of 'Good Afternoon Ma'am's' I got today.Grin

mintchocchick · 19/02/2014 22:25

Moose - the dog walker & cleaner combo sounds perfect to get you over this tough time. You might feel anxious at first about Pip being out with a stranger but just like when you hand over your PFB for the first few times, you start off nervous and at a loose end but soon start to feel confident as you see that they come back intact and happy!

basildonbond · 20/02/2014 06:22

Fitz was an absolute star at training class last night - he's been moved up to the next session and is the youngest in there - the first week was a nightmare as he was so unsettled - he couldn't concentrate at all and looked at me blankly when I asked him to do the simplest thing. Over the last two weeks he's gradually got more settled and then last night he'd obviously decided that this class and these dogs were ok and he did everything perfectly

I also had a bit of a 'duh' moment - we were working on retrieves and drops and I was trying to substitute a treat for the ball but Fitz wasn't interested. The trainer said I needed to offer him something that in Fitz's mind was of greater value and the only thing that would trump a ball for him was another,new, ball - ta-dah! I'd been so fixated on reward = treats that I hadn't looked at things from Fitz's point of view!

mintchocchick · 20/02/2014 20:33

Well done Fitz! And to you, you should be proud of both of you.

It takes a lot to go each week doesn't it? Ours came to an end last week and we signed up to the second set of classes because our trainer runs a weekly dog agility class but you have to have done two sets of classes and be 12 months old so I'm up for that. Agility sounds brilliant fun!

Sorcha1966 · 20/02/2014 21:57

What do you do with a very excited nippy puppy? Lola is only 7 weeks old, and generally pretty well behaved. We are working hard on toileting, and that's going well. This evening she was just hyper , jumping up at us, biting and nipping.

I put her in her crate, which I didn't really want to do as I dont want her to associated the crate with punishment. I tried ignoring her first but that didn't really work ... what do you do?

Another question - about vaccinations. Lola had her first vaccines at the breeders vet before she came to us. Apparently what she had is not compatible with what out vet gives so we would have to start all over agani. Cant give the first of the new vaccines for another week. Then 4 weeks between the first and second , then another week for 'cover', By then she will be almost 14 weeks old - I want to start puppy training classes before that and take her out to get socialized...

moosemama · 20/02/2014 22:44

She was probably overtired and/or overstimulated. I remember at the start of our first thread, lots of us had similar problems in the evenings and in the end we worked out that we needed to enforce some calm/nap time or perhaps put them in their crate with a chew while they calmed down.

Teaching the settle command/cue can really help with it as well. (Basically you 'capture' them when they're being calm and repeat the cue 'settle' calmly and quietly.)

Can you call around a couple of different vets and see if any of them can continue her vaccination protocol?

needastrongone · 21/02/2014 21:13

Sorcha - re vaccines. You have a couple of options, depending on what your attitude to risk is. You can either her out in your arms, as much as you can, socialising her to as many different situations as you see fit or, do as I did (possibly influenced by a bit of pragmatism, due to having another dog) and carry as much as you can, but risk putting down is areas that you see as safe as you might your garden.

For us, our local golf course was closed due to the excessive rainy weather recently, but I know the green keeper and he was fine for me to exercise the dogs while the course was closed. I chose to let our puppy down for a few little wanders, as I knew that rarely were dogs allowed to roam free on the course so, to me, the risk was minimal, my judgement call.

I know that no vet would advocate this, but I read that more dogs get put to sleep due to lack of socialisation than die due to parvo et all.

Small step in the right direction today, Harry has had his paw looked at again by our vet, no more dressing and he also cut off half the 'dead' pad, to enable the young skin to harden off underneath. And, he's able to walk off lead, as long as he has his boot on. I have to clean the paw with hibiscrub too, as having a dressing on for nearly 3 weeks has lead to his paw being a bit, er, 'icky' Smile

Had a 20 minute wander over our back field today, nothing for Harry but at least some different sniffs!!

needastrongone · 21/02/2014 21:14

ps - I remember our first breeder was happy to give the pups their first injections, but I declined, for the very reasons that you state above!

needastrongone · 21/02/2014 21:18

ps - moose - got me first reading list today! So, I took DD and her two friends to the cinema tonight, she has a planned sleepover. Clearly, at 12, I am far too embarrassing to be seen in her company, so I paid for everything (naturally....), made sure they were in the correct screening room, then sat in Starbucks, reading Think Dog! To be honest, it's not anything I haven't picked up on here, but interesting nevertheless Smile

SallyBear · 21/02/2014 21:25

Sorcha, could you ask the breeder to take your pooch back to the breeders vets for the second set of vaccs? As you've realised the early weeks are so important for socialisation. So irritating for you.

Re. Nipping. I rewarded Toby when he was quiet and calm with a treat. I also told the DC that they weren't to over excite him. He's a lovely calm boy and I think that he learned a lot by us treating him in a calm manner. Obviously he still has his mad five minutes, but that's normally about once a day. Smile He will be 8 months old on Sunday.

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