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New Puppy Mummies, Part 3

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DharmaLovesDraco · 09/11/2013 21:30

New thread, because quite frankly I can't do without you all :)

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NCISaddict · 14/11/2013 20:32

Really good training class tonight, Finn did perfect watch, sit and down. Started heel work, the trouble is he gets it quicker than we do and then lies down with a very bored look on his face as if to say ' what incompetent humans have I been saddled with?'. He walked at heel perfectly for the trainer, he obviously preferred someone who knew what he was doing.

He loves all the other puppies, would really like to have an hours play but we're not allowed to let them off yet as they say it excites them all too much.

mintchocchick · 14/11/2013 20:50

Thanks Moose and fabulous to have a programme worked out for us! You're a star.

Glad your training was good NCIS, ours is similar in that pups stay on lead. Thankfully I'm not sure I could cope with 12 puppies all tearing around!

sweetkitty · 14/11/2013 21:24

Hi everyone just trying to catch up.

I've decided not to go back to the Dog Training Group, I just didn't like it. It was in a tiny hall and with 12-14 dogs in there it felt cramped and Nala was nose to tail with puppies which at 4 months is just too much for her. They also kneed her to get her to stop jumping and sprayed her when she play barked at another puppy Hmm didn't like the way they spoke to the owners as well. The things is there's not any other classes close.

Had a good walk with her today we met an owner with an older dog and a youngish whippet so walked with her, Nala was really good, the older dog growled at her if she jumped but she seemed to understand to stay away from that one. At one point there was 6 dogs in the field all running around but bring very good. I could recall her back too and got a lot of positive comments. I think that time in the field with other dogs is better socialisation than that class. There's also a Doberman pup the same age as her that she loves to play with.

Her biting and jumping is lots better too, we've got a few little teeth falling out and new ones coming in and she's putting on about 3lbs a week (where I don't know as she's so lean) she's about 14kg now.

We have to work on jumping up now.

moosemama · 14/11/2013 21:33

Sounds like you made the right call there sweetkitty. Those classes sound like my worst nightmare.

Walks like the one you had today are worth a hundred training class lessons. Nala will have learned so much playing off lead with other dogs and they can teach her far more about how to behave appropriately off-lead around other dogs that we ever could. I'd give my eye teeth for a group of friendly dogs/owners to walk with. Everyone round here seems to be lone-walkers who have badly behaved dogs with poor communication skills.

She's about the same weight as Pip and we also have teeth falling out - much to the dcs' amusement and fascination.

Good to hear the nipping and jumping is improving and she's gaining weight.

I realised last night that Pip is on the daily intake for a puppy predicted to be the weight of a Newfoundland when full grown and he's still barely got any meat on him. Shock I'd be worried if he wasn't so fully of beans and clearly healthy looking. His coat is really shiny and he's a picture of health. He's actually putting on muscle now he's that bit older and developing big thigh muscles and shoulders ... like a proper Lurcher. Grin

mintchocchick · 14/11/2013 21:36

Your class sounds awful Sweetkitty! Spraying for barking and kneeing? Minty barked for our whole first class and the trainer & two helpers were fab, coming over with bones for him to lick, smearing cheese on the floor (that's a fab tip!) and giving him little quiet training sessions away from the rest leaving me to listen to the talk bit from the trainer. Really helpful but surely dog trainers work from best practice research etc?

Your walks with other dogs sound really good on the other hand.

We still have a lot of jumping up even though I hold the lead really tight it's impossible to prevent it all.

NCISaddict · 14/11/2013 21:47

One of the GSD barked most of the lesson tonight and one of the trainers spent ages with them treating her (she's a Nala too) and teaching the owner what to do. They encourage us to practice the 'watch' command and treat when they look at you.
Yours sounds awful Sweetkitty. Very pleased ours isn't like that.

A pity you're not near us Moose as I have a very well behaved 3 year old collie staying who would love walks with yours. Finn has learnt so much from him. He doesn't bite at all now and is calm but friendly with other dogs, all wiggling on his tummy and rolling over. He'll now hold back until the other dog indicates they want to play.

moosemama · 14/11/2013 22:16

Our trainer gives any noisy pups a kong to enjoy while they are talking.

NCIS, yes, it is a shame. Pip has Lurcherboy, but he's such an oversized wuss he lets Pip beat him up and then has a bit of a woof at him that Pip completely ignores, as he knows he's not going to back it up. It's unbelievable to compare the difference in the way he is with Lurcherboy - all cocky and overconfident - to how he is with other dogs - tail under, submissive language, complete set of anxious body signals etc.

He is getting a lot better. This week at puppy class he was happy to lie down a couple of feet away from a beautiful, but very lively springer throughout the lesson and was able to stay at the end of the hall with all the other pups very close around him while we took turns doing recall. Whereas last week I had to take him away during recall, as he wasn't comfortable that close to so many pups.

He'll cautiously approach other dogs now too, but panics a bit if they then want to play with/jump on him.

He was quite keen on one particular cockerpoo pup who was really gentle with him the first time they met - let him approach in his own time and have a sniff. Unfortunately, the next time we met them the cockerpoo obviously considered Pip a friend and wanted to play, but that was all a bit too much for Pip and when he didn't back off in response to his calming signals, Pip actually curled his lip slightly at him. Sad The owner didn't notice and kept trying to encourage them to interact, so in the end I had to tell her that Pip was feeling stressed and needed to be left alone. So hard to get other owners to understand that just because he said a tentative hello once, doesn't mean he's miraculously cured and will now want to romp with their puppy. They're all so keen to see him improve and genuinely want to help.

BUT We've had two consecutive weeks now where he hasn't even attempted to hide behind me or my chair, so we must be doing something right. Grin

If he starts to look panicked or stressed I usually just say 'let's go' and walk off in the opposite direction with him to diffuse the situation. That takes the pressure off and usually fine then.

I want to try a bit of BAT training with him, but haven't really had the opportunity so far. At puppy class I just toss him a treat if he's watching other dogs calmly or chooses to give a calming signal to an approaching dog, rather than panicking and trying to escape.

I do think a few walks with a group of confident adult dogs would be the making of him. If we could go somewhere safe and have them all off-lead, so he could pick his distance/tolerance level and choose to approach if/when he found his confidence I honestly think it would really help him over his fear.

Ideally I'd love to take him here. The people that run it are on another forum I'm on and the videos they have on YouTube of their work with fearful and aggressive dogs is impressive to say the least. They use bombproof adult dogs, who have excellent communication skills, to teach dogs who have 'ishoos' and help them overcome their problems. Unfortunately they are just too far away from us and apparently are booked up months in advance because they are so good. Sad

sweetkitty · 14/11/2013 22:39

Thanks moose and everyone else, I totally agree that if she's never allowed to run with older dogs how is she going to learn their body language, who wants to play etc? She's the opposite every dog and human is her best friend and she will chase after joggers and cyclists. She's getting better at pulling me on her lead to greet people using the "leave" command.

She's been snapped at a few times too but she needs to learn that too. If you think of a pack there would have been puppies to play with and older dogs to leave well alone. My sisters chihuahua is never allowed to meet another dog, if he barks he's picked up or easily pulled away, he's never allowed off lead unless in the garden. When he meet Nala she was only 8 weeks and he wanted to get naughty with her, don't know how he would manage that now though she would flatten him.

NCISaddict · 14/11/2013 22:40

Having my sisters dogs here has been brilliant for Finn, they are both confident, well trained dogs and keep him in line in a family sort of way. I think it has helped with his biting as they don't tolerate him nipping, particularly the 14.5 yr old one.
They also only approach dogs on walks who make it very clear they want to play otherwise they ignore. I know my sister put in a lot of work with them and it has certainly paid off.

Gives me hope I can get this puppy to be like my previous collie who was fantastic and a pleasure to walk. If only it would work on DH too!!

moosemama · 14/11/2013 22:59

The trainers at our club ask everyone every week if they are letting their pup of and they get a lecture if they say no. It really is the best and only way for them to learn.

NCIS I wish Lurcherboy would be the grown up with Pip and assert himself a bit more. My old bitches would have had him sorted within minutes, but Lurcherboy is partly too laid back and partly to much of a wuss. Thinking about it, he might just be like that because we had two strong bitches here when he was a pup. Poor lad didn't stand a chance of being the boss with those two around! Grin

He lost his way a bit when the last of my girls died. Both were really well trained and taught him how to be well behaved in the park etc. Oldgirl in particular never went far from us and being part Border Collie, part Belgian Shepherd, worked hard to keep us all nicely rounded up. She always said a polite hello to approaching dogs, but was never interested in going off to play.

Lurcherboy followed suit and always stayed close by, until he got really lonely after she passed. Sad Then he suddenly seemed to forget his recall and started shooting off after other dogs to play and ignoring his recall cue. I got that sorted, his recall recovered, then we brought Pip home and he seemed to forget it all again. Hmm He's is lovely, bless his little cotton socks, but not the brightest and seems to struggle to remember things if any of the parameters change. Been doing lots of short distance recalls this week and he's definitely improving, as I can now call him back easily again before he reaches other dogs.

It's a bit mad really to see the pup hurtling back a record speed to the whistle, while my supposedly well trained adult completely ignores me. Hmm

moosemama · 14/11/2013 22:59

Ps NCIS, Finn is an excellent name - as I am sure Lurcherboy would wholeheartedly agree! Wink

NCISaddict · 14/11/2013 23:05

He is so lovely, I had a moment today like you have with children, they're hugely annoying and then you see them playing beautifully and you want to pick them up and hug them. He has the most beautiful enormous bat like ears and big paws. I am totally besotted.

I'm sure Pip will get there with you as his trainer. Will try letting Finn off tomorrow, or at least letting the long line go so I can tread on it if necessary, he seems less easily spooked now.

sweetkitty · 14/11/2013 23:08

Lurcherboy sounds lovely moose.

I've been really lucky with the park at the bottom of our road, the park I was taking her to was quite erm middle class retirees with small dogs. Same with the big park/lake near us, teeing with dogs/kids/bikes/joggers so always on lead. This one is (how can I put it) in a less affluent area and tucked away, great playing field, proper dog walkers and a good walk down by a river along some woods. The people we meet are on the whole lovely (apart from grumpy Rottweilers guy) and have loads of time for a gangly mad pup.

moosemama · 15/11/2013 07:56

Sweetkitty, our park is like the first one you describe. Very middle class, full of retirees with snappy little dogs and other people who all have untrained gundog breeds that don't get anywhere near enough exercise or mental stimulation.

It's much better if we walk a little further and go across the field, which is doable distance-wise, but I don't feel safe in the fields on my own, so rarely go unless dh is with me.

DharmaLovesDraco · 15/11/2013 16:16

O is that puppy with the kong Grin in fact this week I was trying to decide if he looked like a trussed up Turkey or a bondage fan - my trainer does this T- Touch thingy and she tried it on him - not sure it made much difference tbh but what do I know?!? I did have flashbacks of the film 'Marley and Me' though particularly when he started humping my leg in the middle of the floor ....

I'm also thinking O needs to socialise/see a bit more of the world so am taking him to a highly populated place tomorrow, my batshit theory is that with so many people around he won't want to greet them all. Same with the dogs. Realistically I know this is going to backfire massively Grin

I second everyone else that has said about getting a different behaviourist for Legend - and vet, she sounds outdated and awful :(

Moose, it's amazing how un observant people can be regarding dog signals etc, I am a massive novice and probably miss masses, but we have a lady at training with a whippet who is terrified of other dogs and she insists on dragging her over to speak to us and tries to get her puppy to play with ours. Not only is her dog shaking with tail lodged firmly between its legs, but she is constantly trying to run from the other puppies :( it's also massively unhelpful as O would like nothing more than to play - I ended up walking away from her Wednesday, felt a bit rude as I think she's just lonely :(

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SallyBear · 15/11/2013 19:32

Toby is going to be loopy tonight, as DH has been in Moscow all week. I am fully expecting an exhausted DH being clambered on by an over enthusiastic Labrador at about 10pm tonight!

mintchocchick · 15/11/2013 22:15

Hope loopy puppy ok SallyBear!

Must read the thread - sorry to just add my bit without reading up first. We had a 2hr home visit from dog trainer and I am exhausted! She went through a long list of questions & issues then answered our long list and the kids questions.

Things that were worse than I'd thought were thatDS2 told her times that minty was growling at him - he hadn't told me probably as he thought I'd tell him off. So I felt a bit upset about that but at least he got advice and I got a bit more insight.

Lots of positives, we're getting loads of things right like off-lead walking and socialising. But we are doing completely the wrong thing about his barking so need to work in that. And we have a page and a half of action points for is to do/take on board which is useful though right now a bit daunting. I have some time off family, house & puppy tomorrow and I think that may help too.

Hope other puppies being good and doing ok

basildonbond · 15/11/2013 22:24

That sounds v positive mint

We've had a bit of a drama here tonight - our ex-Dubai street cat lashed out at Fitz who was being a bit over-exuberant and his claw got Fitz in the eye :(. Called the emergency vet who said it didn't sound like he needed to be seen tonight but to take him to see the vet first thing tomorrow - am keeping a close eye in him tonight but he seems ok at the moment

couch25cakes · 15/11/2013 22:33

Hello all. We picked up Archie tonight our bichon/mini schnauzer cross (chonzer Hmm). He's 11 weeks and was in a pretty busy house with babies, dogs, lizards so is very confident and chilled. He left his home reasonably well but as soon as we put him in the crate started crying. DD was getting upset and them he fell asleep for the hours drive home. He's spent tonight exploring the kitchen and garden and so far has been delightful. Three tiny wees inside and one outside, so I'm settling in for the night with my training guide. Not sure whether to put him in his crate tonight (he's been wandering in and out of it all night) and whether I should sleep on the sofa in the kitchen nearby, or leave him- he's been in a crate since birth. I the meantime he's snoozing in his bed and I'm sneaking a glass of red wine while I decide what to do.

couch25cakes · 16/11/2013 06:36

Well Archie went into his crate at just before midnight and cried like nothing on earth for ten minutes before settling. When I came down at 6-10 he had a dry crate and went our for a wee, ate his breakfast and the pooed inside! Will be a busy weekend! Grin.

happygolucky0 · 16/11/2013 18:12

Lots of new puppies .... Hi all.
New mums stop reading and jump my post!!
I don't often come on and moan but having a tough week. Was ill with a sick bug for 48 hours. Just started to feel strong again then start with what feels like a chest infection. The thing is puppies dont get illness while mine doesn't and I am not managing well. To make it worse she has taken to weeing on a certain piece of carpet in the hall.
I have got the simple solution . Have been washing it with non bio washing powder and am pulling my hair out. She is weeing inside like 20 mins or do after going outside for a wee. She is under close watch and being crated alot which she isn't happy about.
Any tips of coping when you are ill with the little monkeys welcome . Also any other ideas of the wee problem.

InTheRedCorner · 17/11/2013 00:08

Hello, I'm new to the Doghouse and so is our 6 month old Rottie.

I'm off to read back and look forward to gaining lots of help with training and feeding and everything else.

JammyDodger1 · 17/11/2013 17:47

Hello Everyone,
I wish I knew the answer Happy, it such hard work at the best of times but when you feel off it, ten times so! Hope you feeling better now Smile

I have never met a puppy who wees as much as mine, she can go outside wee, and then come straight back in and wee again, I swear she has the bladder the size of pea!

I have started introducing her to other dogs, and she doesn't seem frightened in any way which is good, but she is extremely giddy jumping and nipping, try to calm her down but its proving difficult!

NCISaddict · 17/11/2013 19:29

I've found letting the other dogs let Finn know his behaviour is unacceptable but only if they're well socialised dogs themselves. Having my sister's dogs to stay has been brilliant and seems to have eradicated Finn's nipping. They tell him off very firmly if he gets too nippy and he understands dog better than human!

JammyDodger1 · 17/11/2013 19:33

My sil has a Border Collier which she keeps saying will "put Belle in her place" that has made me a bit nervous of introducing those two, but so far she has met two massive dogs (friends of mine) and they were great, but at school they all tend to be puppies, albeit older then her but puppies all the same!
Her being a big breed she is a lot bigger than most of them but still a lot younger, luckily the owners all seem lovely so we muddle through Smile