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possible puppies?

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willoughboobs · 26/02/2013 22:57

i have a beautiful lhasa apso who is nearly 3yo and has she has just been in season so we've paid for a stud to mat her with for her first time Smile
they was stuck for 20minutes, the studs owners said everything went perfect and they doubt she wont have caught. my dm and df also lhasa apso breeders think the same but I'm not to sure Hmm does anyone else think her chances are good just from being stuck once?

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mind77 · 27/02/2013 10:14

I would look at your reasons for being so desperate to mate your dog tbh. Have you seen the state that rescues are in all through the country? There are thousands of gorgeous,lovely innocent dogs being sent to their deaths every year in this country alone because people continue to breed their dogs just for the sake of money. Why add to this?
Going by your post,you obviously aren't an experienced,reputable breeder so are no better than the average back street breeder. Do you care where these puppies will end up?
This may sound harsh but I am involved in 2 rescues and just started fostering myself. It is heartbreaking to see innocent dogs being killed due to back street breeders keep churning puppies out. I hope to god your dog hasn't caught I'm afraid and you re-think your reasonsAngry

D0oinMeCleanin · 27/02/2013 10:27

Exciting. I bet the potential buyers on your waiting list have everything crossed.

I know nothing about breeding but wanted to pick your mind about showing/competing dogs and how you get into it? I was thinking of becoming involved with my dog but really don't know where to start.

I guess you got into because your DM and DF show/compete with their dogs? How did they start out? Have you had many champions? What sport do you do? I was thinking about obedience, I can't really show mine because she is not the best example of the breed, would that matter with obedience?

I think it's really great you are working to improve the lhasa breed. Did it take you long to find the right stud? I'm not sure about breeding from my bitch, she's a bit on the small side, so I don't think she would bring much to the breed in general, but maybe if we win some comps I could breed her as a working or trial dog? How do you go about finding the right stud? Obviously I'd want a champ who has sired lots of other champs, is there like a list or something?

Kormachameleon · 27/02/2013 10:41

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kitsmummy · 27/02/2013 11:03

I'm assuming you haven't been in the Doghouse before Willoughboobs? You may live to regret this...

BeerTricksPotter · 27/02/2013 11:10

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tabulahrasa · 27/02/2013 11:15

D0oin - I nearly spilt my coffee there...Grin

D0oinMeCleanin · 27/02/2013 12:34
Grin

What? [whistles innocently]

mind77 · 27/02/2013 14:20

Have I fallen for a wind upConfused I shall wind my neck back inBlush

MagicLlama · 27/02/2013 14:24

How exciting for you.

Bitches can indeed be pregnant from 1 tie, although most studs would ime expose the stud and bitch several times over her most fertile days - not just rely on the once. The length of time they have been tied together is not a particular indicator of whether mating has or has not been successful.

You will be able to take her to your vet for an ultrasound in order to confirm pregnancy, and also to get an idea of how many pups she has in there (which is useful to know during her labour). Our vet will do these from around 3 weeks after ovulation.

kitsmummy · 27/02/2013 15:29

Mind - I don't think you've fallen for a wind up, more that everyone here is quietly laughing at the roasting that unsuspecting Willoughboobs is letting herself in for Grin

SpicyPear · 27/02/2013 15:38

I can't be arsed with a flaming on this. It's just so sad and frustrating. Full marks to D0oin for her post. Says it all.

MagicLlama · 27/02/2013 15:46

Until puppy purchasers ask the questions Dooin is, people will continue to breed pups.

Its possible that OPs parents are e

MagicLlama · 27/02/2013 15:51

damn half posted there ...

... OPs parents are experienced breeders, which is why they are advising her, and she is coming on here to just get reassurance.

There needs to be more regulation with breeding, so that not anyone can do it, the buyers need to be more aware and ask the questions that they are not currently asking.

I also think rescues need to play a part as well - there are so many people that think they cant get a rescue dog because they have children under 7, or work away from home part of the day. This means people then don't even bother to contact them and instead go buy a cute puppy from someone off the internet.

idirdog · 27/02/2013 17:15

Bollocks that rescue need to play a part Confused They are doing all that they can because of idiot owners, back yard breeders, money grabbers and couldn't give a shit public.

They are working their butts off to make sure the dogs go to good homes and homes that they can stay in for the rest of their lives.

Rescue are not to blame. It is the prospective owners who cannot be bothered to do their research.

OP I bet you must be really out of pocket with all the health testing you must have done before you put your dog to stud - hats off to you.

I am glad that you have a long list or prospective owners who have all been vetted and home visited before the mating took place, that can take a lot of time on you behalf.

I am also glad that you have a few £1000.00 saved in case of the need for veterinary care for your pregnant bitch or if she may need a c section. I would have preferred to go on holiday myself.

It is a huge commitment to offer life time support to the new owners of your puppies but I am glad that you have considered this and will of course take back any puppy at any point in its life time. lhasa can live for a long time that is a grand commitment to make well done.

PeachActiviaMinge · 27/02/2013 17:38

I could say so much and none of it would be polite but I think its already been said so well.

I hope I'm wrong and you have a waiting list for those puppies and have done everything D0oin mentions but experience tells me you won't have and you'll just be seeing balls of fluff and cash while rescue workers shake their heads and wait for the puppies to arrive with them where they can struggle to find them homes and pay for their care because another idiot BYB has decided they want to make a quick buck.

I bet you'd tell me how much you love your dog and how special she is to you. If you love her why are you risking her life like this? If you love dogs in general why are you contributing to the thousands of dogs killed every year for want of a home? I know you're just going to shrug this all off and do what you think is best anyway but I'd like you to look at these pictures - first second and third and explain how you plan to make sure any puppies bred from your dog don't end up like these?

I guess in the end I did have a lot to say but posts like yours break my heart, you have no idea of the damage you are doing and how much you are letting down dogs and dog owners the world over and especially your dog and any future puppies she may have.

mind77 · 27/02/2013 18:47

Why the hell is it exiting magicllama And what else do you think rescues need to do exactly?? Most rescue workers are run off their feet all hours of the day trying to help dogs,promote dogs,earn funds. Yes there are a few rescues with overly strict adoption rules but most aren't. If people bothered to look at different rescues or ask advice instead of jumping onto the internet etc to buy a cute,fluffy puppy after the first stumbling block then people would find rescues willing to be flexible. There are plenty of people who post on here who want to go down the rescue route but have young kids and have been turned down from rescue. All are pointed to willing rescues. The excuse that you have just thrown out hits the nail on the head. In your words 'people don't even bother to contact rescues' That nots the rescues fault if people can't be bothered is it. Thats due to alot of people not giving a shit.
You seem to know alot about what the vets will do if her bitch is pregnant. I assume you are either a vet yourself, in which case you must see people coming in every week wanting to have their dog murdered pts for pathetic reasons (that is in no way aimed at the many responsible owners who make the heartbreaking decision to have their dogs pts when they are suffering) so why would you support this?, or you are also one of these back yard breeders who think it is fantastic to bring these little fluffy pups into the world but not actually think about or give a toss about what happens to them years down the line. You must be proud

digerd · 27/02/2013 18:56

My favourite breed is Lhasa Apso, but I did not breed from them. My first was 9 months old when I found her and 2nd, years later, I have had for 7.5 weeks aged 2. She will be spayed in April.

Good luck OP.

BeerTricksPotter · 27/02/2013 19:13

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willoughboobs · 27/02/2013 21:08

wow i didn't expect to get such a roasting Blush

I'm breeding my dog for family and friends to buy. my dps breed and sell them to be trained and cared for by people who have already got great well looked after show dogs of all different breeds.

we personally understand the importance of taking care of pets and making sure that they go to safe loving homes where contact will be kept. i don't know if anyone has heard of the sick guy who has abused and killed a staffy in sheffield recently, well i live near there and we was sickened by this, this is why we make sure we keep in touch with the owners. we don't see a pet as something you just look after when its all cuddly, we see it and treat it as a family member all throughout its life.

i don't recall saying i didn't have the money for a c-section or care for these animals Angry
my beautiful dog was bred with a stud who is a show dog and also well looked after.

im disgusted by this Angry i know how hard it is to rehome all animals and how hard of a job it is to care and look after them, my mums best friend owns a sanctuary for all animals so we see day to day what a hard job it is.

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willoughboobs · 27/02/2013 21:10

btw all dogs are fully vet checked, vaccinated, wormed and flead before during and after pregnancy and throughout life!!!

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Frettchen · 27/02/2013 21:24

I don't understand, OP, you say 'i know how hard it is to rehome all animals' and yet you're happily trying to bring more into the world rather than suggesting your friends and family go to a rescue and get a dog who's already here and in need of a home. There are breed-specific rescues, and there are SO many lhasa apso-sized dogs out there who would be just as adorable and just as good pets.

Out of curiosity, how much are you asking for the puppies? Will you stand to make a profit from selling them?

Bear in mind that the people you sell these puppies to will have no obligation to keep in touch with you. Please be sure you have thoroughly checked them before letting the puppies go.

mind77 · 27/02/2013 21:40

I don't see why your disgusted I'm afraid. You contradict yourself. If you really felt sickened by the amount of homeless animals and understood the plight of rescues then you wouldn't be breeding more animals into the mix. Why can't your friends/family rescue a dog instead if they know, see and understand how painful and hard rescue is???

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme · 27/02/2013 21:43

We're looking for a lab to work with our spaniel when we go shooting. I looked at loads of local rescues and found a lovely two year old bitch who would have been perfect. Unfortunately in the small print it said they don't rehome where there's children or to working homes. So we will be having one off one of our shooting friends, who's dogs are perfectly suited to the work. We did try, but what are you supposed to do when they won't let you take the dog to your loving, safe, fun, fulfilling household? She'd have had a lovely life with us. Should we have lied? What if she really didn't get on with our children?

MagicLlama · 27/02/2013 21:49

Mind I like how you ignored the bit I say about there needing to be more regulation and buyers asking more questions and instead just berate me for my rescue comments.

I think the rescues should do more to promote the "we take people other than those who stay at home all day, and only have teenaged children" message. The majority of people in my experience have the view that they cant get a dg from the rescue because they wont meet some criteria, so they dont bother to contact them. I put them straight where I can, but the rescues could be doing something about that message. I volunteer at a local rescue (cats mind so feel free to discount it if you so wish) so I know just how difficult it is, but I have said to them that unless we make people more aware of the criteria for re-homing, then people will just bypass them.

I am neither a vet nor a back yard breeder, my parents used to breed GSDs, and incidentally met all of Dooins criteria before you throw some more insults out so I have knowledge from them and my brother has had litters off his working dogs, and since at the time I was doing stuff for him, it fell to me to make the arrangements with the vet and thus I know from speaking to the surgery that they would do ultrasounds from 3 weeks.

MagicLlama · 27/02/2013 21:53

willough The buyers of the pups have no obligation at all to keep in touch with you, so I agree with the above post about checking them out fully prior to sale. You can also get puppy sales contracts which specify in the event of them new owner being unable to keep the dog it comes back to you for you to rehome, which might be something else to consider.

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