The Fall of Cesar Milan

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At last the message is getting through

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why are some so critical of him? the man is good at what he does. hmmm maybe its all just jelousy? his methods have worked great for me and my dogs

I guessed by your response to other threads you may be a fan. Search for him on here, you will see all the previous threads and links and all the reasons why his methods are outdated, cruel etc.

At long last!!!

Dominance theory has been disproved a number of times yet this man insist that only by 'dominating' your dog, will you be able to train it. And all dogs should be treated the same way, regardless of the problem.

I have a 'evil-should-be-banned-and-destroyed' Staffy who is a delight, training with positive reinforcement (FOOD!)
The doodle's a bit thick but will do anything for food too.

I don't need to force my dogs to submit or kick them to make them do as asked.

Ohh, I never realised he was controversial? What do you think of the British woman - Victoria something, isn't it?

Victoria Stillwell?? I think that's her name.

I think she's got some good ideas. She uses clicker training and other positive reinforcement methods and works from the angle that a dog that feels safe and well cared for will be much easier to deal with/train than one who complies out of fear.

im not a '100% product of his methods' because i can slack sometimes and i just like to feel relaxed arounbd my dogs. but from a young age we instill that they are below us. with certain breeds especially you do have to make sure you are on top of them other wise they can take over very easily. i also watch victoria stilwell and think shes nice, very sweet but to the point. yet when i see some people out and theyre having to get treats out to distract their dog/dogs, or using high pitch tones to call their dogs yet its not even listening i just think poor them. i treat my dogs like i do my kids, im incharge, you behave

depends on the situation doesnt it

'So, Is Cesar Millan a Bad Guy?
No. In fact, he?s done a lot of good for animal welfare, including advocating against breed-specific legislation and puppy mills, and in support of spay/neuter programs. And he?s actually right about quite a few things, namely that you are responsible for your own dog?s behavior, that your pet needs lots of love and exercise, and that chaining dogs is awful.

As Brent Toellner of KC Dog Blog, an animal welfare blog, expertly explains, the Cesar Millan controversy ? which seems to polarize so many people on all sides ? isn?t so black and white. Toellner says that blind accusations that Millan never uses positive reinforcement are just plain wrong, and he concludes:

?Sometimes I think, in efforts to discourage his training practices, people become too anti-Cesar Millan. They have become so frustrated with the people that are ?doing it wrong? that they feel forced to break down the man they feel represents that training style.?'

yea rewarding is great but by giving your dog a treat your not exactly solving the issue are you. my shepherds dont have that kind of any issue but my akita she does get excited when we have visitors. she always has. its simple though, ignore her. basically what cesar says 'no touch no talk no eye contact'. but before i open the door, i command the dogs to back away. one of thems a small puppy right now though so she gets away with it sometimes lol but shell be trained just like her elders

I never realised he was controversial either. I will listen to people who have dogs who know what they are talking about but I am afraid unless I see your qualifications I will be dubious.

ok well see that works for you and lots of others. but i just dont do that. i mean dont you get tired of having to pull out treats every time you have a visitor?

I used his methods with my dog who'd been sent back to the kennels (rescue) twice. Within a week I had a supposedly impossible to socialise dog, mixing with others. Also had him off the lead within 2 weeks. I also like the 'it's me or the dog' lady. I can only go from experience and Cesar helped with our situation. Ddog is a bit too sociable now though, thinks every dog wants to be his friend but I don't let him run up to other dogs who are on the lead and so far he's been ok? I've had him almost 4 years.

yea i read it, but the fact that you had to use treats to train is what id find tireing. my dogs work for their treats, they dont just get treats for doing something they should be doing anyway. do you understand my point? at the end of the day some of cesars methods have helped me but i think also having the right dog helps. its all about the bond between dog and owner

i cant remember the last time one of my dogs continually ignored me. if it happens its very rare. i think if your dogs continually ignoring you then you need to assess your bond with that dog. or could just be due to age. why does your dog ignore you? how old is he/she and their breed?

I understand that some of his techniques are old-fashioned, much like some of the parenting techniques several decades ago - when, for instance, smacking was the norm. I have watched a number of his programmes, and a lot of what he says does make sense. I eventually got fed up of watching his show because the same issues came up time and time again - though maybe part of that was just the format of the show. For example: the number of times owners were asked how much exercise their dog got, and often the answer was a vague "maybe once or twice a week just around the block"; how many owners weren't consistent in their behaviour towards the dog; how many owners were clueless about the characteristics of the breed in terms of their needs.

One of the best bits of his shows was when he took dogs out for a run, with him on roller skates, and see the sheer delight of those dogs being able to have a good long run up to their top speed rather than being restricted to pootling around the block occasionally.

He certainly has rehabilitated many dogs (and permanently adopted many that couldn't be rehomed), but maybe he needs to do some rehabilitation on himself by addressing the concerns that others have raised.

yea he does make alot of sense and his self educated. just because someone goes to college and gets a piece of paper stating theyre qualified to work with dogs doesnt mean theyre going to actually benefit yourself and your dog. he doesnt need to chan ge a thing, his methods work for him and have worked for many others. hes just got to brush off all the 'haters'