I'm ready for a flaming but why are breeders so badly thought of

[cedmonds]

HI
I have lurked on here for a while and have had a few posts as well.
What I want to know is why are breeders so badly thought of.
I understand back yard breeders etc but when people are breeding responsibly and to improve line etc what is the problem with it.
I am also know that there are lots of unwanted dogs etc but that is not ever breeders fault.
We do everything we can for our pups in making sure they have a good start in life and go to the bet possible homes be it working homes or pet homes.
All the bitches and pups have all the testing required and more. The pups are vet checked.They are breed in the home not in kennels and they are well socialized and used to house hold noise etc.

We will grill anyone who comes to see the pups and if we could we would do home check as well. We also will not let anyone have a puppy untill they have been to see the litter a few times.

All puppies have a contract stating that if they do need to be re homed at any time they must contact us first and we will have the pup back.They also have endorsements stating that they can not be breed from untill we have seen proof of testing and what stud dog/ bitch they want to use. 9 times out of ten we say no!!

We advise people to neuter etc but obviously we can not make them do it .
So what is so wrong with what we are doing we do not make any money out of it and its bloody hard work.

I think I had a shock with our dog, he had been rescued from a breeder along with a number of others on the same day. A little on the large side for his breed, therefore not good enough to show, he had been quite badly neglected by them. Even after a year in a foster home he was still really nervous when we first got him. If I were to investigate buying a puppy of his (fairly rare) breed, this breeder looks fantastic, makes all the right noises and claims - I don't know how the fact they have had dogs removed for neglect has not shut them down. They make numerous claims on breed integrity and lines but my dog only has three grandparents, both his granddads being the same dog - it wouldn't take much to disprove their claims if there was any sort of body responsible for doing so.

I used to think that all breeding should be severely limited until the rescue situation improved. However, since being pregnant I have felt a bit hormonal and sad that my dog won't have puppies and is starting to look a little bit old and I can understand why people want to carry on the line of a much loved dog. I don't have a problem with breeders in general, but I am cynical about claims they make and do have a problem with the lack of the system/ regulation that allows someone who has has dogs removed not only keep breeding but make any old claim they like about the dogs they breed and breed from.

Any good breeder would not let a pup be in that situation yes it does happen and were going to get a pup from another breeder and didn't as they had not be socialized lest in a kennel all the time etc.
I think that if people a thinking in buying a pup from a breeder they need to be educated in what is a good breeder and the fact that they are not socialized in one thing saying they are not. Also if they are buying a pedigree pup they should ask to see at least five generation pedigree.

dbf Don't know if you will see this and i have put it on the other thread.
They are now two breeders who have doing home checking in our area and one who might do further away. I was very surprised the amount of people who did not want to do it.
In fact i have been out today home checking people who want a puppy and the bitch is not due to come into season untill DEC or even next year.

DBF, just out of interest (bit worried this may look like stirring, it's not, I'm genuinely curious) if you would support a complete ban on breeding on a temp basis would you include in that the rare breeds that are beginning to be at risk of extinction (my MINIMAL knowledge of breeds shouts Clumber spaniel at me)? Or simply of those 'popular' breeds that we see thousand of?

Also, what is the difference between a backyard breeder and a breeder? I had toyed with breeding my dog (She's now done, so it's not happening) it's not something i would ever have done without doing ALL of the research (which is why I did not do it, as my research showed me the amount in rescue), but if I had, would I have been a backyard breeder?

Looks fondly at doggy and still feels a bit sad she will never have pups, but her poor epileptic soul could not take it anyway

Actually training/tests is not an unreadonable idea. If you want to get a dog in Switzerland, doesn't matter if it's from breeder or rescue, you have to take both theoretical and practical dog owner's course, it's mandatory.