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I'm ready for a flaming but why are breeders so badly thought of

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 14:41

HI
I have lurked on here for a while and have had a few posts as well.
What I want to know is why are breeders so badly thought of.
I understand back yard breeders etc but when people are breeding responsibly and to improve line etc what is the problem with it.
I am also know that there are lots of unwanted dogs etc but that is not ever breeders fault.
We do everything we can for our pups in making sure they have a good start in life and go to the bet possible homes be it working homes or pet homes.
All the bitches and pups have all the testing required and more. The pups are vet checked.They are breed in the home not in kennels and they are well socialized and used to house hold noise etc.

We will grill anyone who comes to see the pups and if we could we would do home check as well. We also will not let anyone have a puppy untill they have been to see the litter a few times.

All puppies have a contract stating that if they do need to be re homed at any time they must contact us first and we will have the pup back.They also have endorsements stating that they can not be breed from untill we have seen proof of testing and what stud dog/ bitch they want to use. 9 times out of ten we say no!!

We advise people to neuter etc but obviously we can not make them do it .
So what is so wrong with what we are doing we do not make any money out of it and its bloody hard work.

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notmeagain · 31/10/2011 20:02

cedmonds why do you breed dogs?

KatharineClifton · 31/10/2011 20:03

Fair play toboldlygo - I'm not an expert. (I would probably come under the lazy title and would love a GSD, but know I wouldn't want to put in the time walking that it would need, and a GSD would be too strong/big to leave to the kids, so I don't have one).

I also read about the sloping back thing. Really quite unbelievable that people breed dogs deliberately to be disabled. Also Angry

DogsBeastFiend · 31/10/2011 20:03

I think you're right, bemybebe.

Anyway, cedomonds, may I ask what type of dog you breed?

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 20:04

sorry meant to say we do know the good and bad breeders and will recommend a fellow breeder.
We are in England but when we first got the licence it was five litters.
This year we have only had two litters out of 9 breeding bitches and we still have the licence and will always willl.
I also think that all breeders should home check, and should maybe it should be apart of having a licence.

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 20:05

GSD

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KatharineClifton · 31/10/2011 20:08

Now I am Envy of you cedmonds.

DogsBeastFiend · 31/10/2011 20:09

Good point, yes, that's another thing that SHOULD be part of a license holders' obligation.

To be fair to you, you DO sound like a responsible breeder, bar the homechecking :o and if I were to suddenly have a personality change and want to buy a pup I think I might come to you provided you don't breed Chihuahuas or Old English Sheepdogs. :o

However, I still think, for reasons given above by others, that until we have the dead dogs in the pound situation under control and until buyers are no longer going to be guilty of being a part of the "buy one, get one dead" culture then breeding should be at best HUGELY curtailed and better still temporarily banned altogether.

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 20:11

Sorry ment to add Border collies as well.We have the GSD for working and collies for show. To be fair we havent had any gsd for a few years.
We breed to improve the lines of our dogs and improve the breed. Alot of our dogs have got Nz lines in them and we have transported sperm for NZ before and will do again.

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Scuttlebutter · 31/10/2011 20:13

OP, I am really not sure why you posted this question. You recently asked about a breeder who you knew living near you who you said treated their dogs badly and had loads of dogs ending up in rescue. Knowing this, and the fact that the breeder you mentioned was (arguably) acting inside the law, you still need to ask? [hhmm]

All of us involved in rescue see the effects of unwanted and irresponsible dog ownership every single day. Last year, in Wales alone, there were approximately 10,000 stray dogs. Approx 4000 were reunited with their owners, but that left 6000 needing homes and of these 500 were killed by local Councils, using our money. So that's 1 in 8 of the dogs who are abandoned facing the needle. Healthy dogs. Young dogs. Dogs who could have many happy years ahead of them. Dead, in a bin liner, after spending a miserable week in a Council pound in a tiny metal cage, confused, frightened and alone. If that doesn't make you angry it bloody should. And what's worse, all that took nearly £2 million squid at a time when public services are being squeezed. £2 million (just in Wales remember) would buy a lot of home helps or school text books.

And that's without starting on the barbarity that is puppy farming.

ChippingInAutumnLover · 31/10/2011 20:13

cedmondsm - if you don't make money out of it, why are you doing it? How many dogs do you have at the moment? What breed are they?

toboldlygo · 31/10/2011 20:14

My indictment of the show type GSD was quite timely then. Blush

I'm sure you're all sick of me banging this drum but I just have a real issue with dogs being bred purely for appearance; so many dogs are now so far removed from their original purpose as to be a different breed entirely from their working counterparts.

toboldlygo · 31/10/2011 20:17

Now wait a minute, two different breeds should set the alarm bells ringing for anyone looking to buy a pup. What working titles do/did you achieve with the GSDs?

Don't intend to turn this into a witch hunt but, y'know, you did ask. This is why lots of us are suspicious of breeders.

bemybebe · 31/10/2011 20:17

"so many dogs are now so far removed from their original purpose as to be a different breed entirely from their working counterparts"

Very true, i have some labrador experience and even there the disparity is very obvious. And don't even start on poor CKCS...

EdlessAllenPoe · 31/10/2011 20:23

There is NO "network of helpful peers to enable them to obtain homechecks",

erm, the world of dogs is so small, that there are people on here that know the same people i know in dogs. the network is there if you get involved. breed clubs particularly facilitate this kind of thing, though also getting involved in rescue helps.

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 20:25

DBF You are welcome any time to see that not all breeders are the work of the devilGrin
Scuttle butter i have posted this thread because i want to improve as a breeder. I also think that if breeders worked closer with rescue it might be better for the dogs welfare which is what we both want.
i also agree that there are to many unwanted dogs in the world and there is something that needs doing about it.
Show GSDS are very badly breed all are not what the breed should be like and as a result have shit lives because of this none of my gsd breed will go to show homes ever.
At the moment we have 3 GSDS two which were rescued and 10 collies which 1 was rescued.

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KatharineClifton · 31/10/2011 20:28

You must be terribly fit cedmonds Shock

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 20:31

The gsds have got to crufts for obedicnce so ok not working exactly but what i ment was not pet homes. I know it sounds crap about having two breeds. Which is why we have not had a gsd litter for a while.

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bemybebe · 31/10/2011 20:31

Ed As an outsider who knows a few breeders I observe that some/most are very happy to socialize and build the network of people they know, but not really to help out. It is all about the mentality and what they think may be at stake. But again, there are some wonderful people who have heart in the right place, it is just not a given.

There are sometimes very valid reasons why people want to go to breeders, especially if they are interested in working their dogs. Having a dog is not always about it being a pet.

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 20:33

katharineclifton GrinYeah the dogs are part of our life and come out with me when doing the horses etc we are also none on the local walks around here. It is always bloody hard work but i will not stop having the dogs for anything.

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KatharineClifton · 31/10/2011 20:36

I bet!

Stick around and stop lurking! Your training skills must be second to none.

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 20:37

As breeders we will help each other out all the time. News travels very fast in the dog world. When we lost our champ collie everyone was phoning in a day of lossing her i had only told one freind. But something needs to be done to get breeders into helping each other to home check etc.

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cedmonds · 31/10/2011 20:39

It makes it very hard to post and give training tips etc as when people think you breed that automatically are bad, and don't give a shit about your dogs.Sad

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notmeagain · 31/10/2011 20:44

Coming from the rescue background it is still really hard to see why anyone would breed more dogs (if they care for dog welfare) until the rescue situation has been sorted out.

There are major concerns with breeding dogs just for physical appearance. I was very relieved when you said you breed collies for obedience and not show. The dogs best interest must come first and that is all dogs.

DogsBeastFiend · 31/10/2011 20:45

"Now wait a minute, two different breeds should set the alarm bells ringing for anyone looking to buy a pup."

I very much agree. Jack of all trades and all that?

Am smiling that you own (not breed, note, as I know several fantastic ones in rescue just longing for homes) GSDs though. Not that I'm biased.

notmeagain · 31/10/2011 20:46

Also I would welcome you to spend a week with me and see the distress that many dogs are suffering on a daily basis due to over breeding and the fact that the demand for dogs just is not enough to home the dogs already alive.