Vallhala and other rescuers, please help if you can!

[purplepidjin]

A friend of mine rescued a dog last year who had come in from a very abusive home. He's a big lad, 9st (not sure of breed) and absolutely beautiful. The problem is that he's terrified of everything and it's got to the point that she thinks he's going to bite. He's already tried to nip her son (who has AS and has struggled to bond with the dog) and currently has to be walked on a muzzle.

She's pretty much decided he needs to be PTS, but if you know of an experienced home where he could get the attention he needs please let me know. I will add that my friend is an experienced dog owner but she's a single mum and just can't afford the behavouralists etc. It's breaking her heart to even consider PTS

There's a photo here

As I say he's a gorgeous boy, really sweet when he's comfortable with you, prefers women.

I don't expect you to work miracles, and it may be he needs out of this life so he can be reborn into a better one. He's due in for an operation on Thursday, and the official story will be that he doesn't survive the anaesthetic

[K9999]

I've just had a message from Rob.

"I'm not taking this boy. The owner has opted to PTS..."

I just hope that the owner has found another rescue or trainer to help and that PTS is not the option. I feel that I and the rest of us here are being mislead although if that's not the case I sincerely apologise to the OP here and now.

I don't understand what the hell is going on.

[DooinMeCleanin]

Poor dog. I sincerely hope she doesn't get a puppy as suggested earlier because the chances are she is the problem not the dog. I refuse to believe that you can work with a proffessional twice a week for a year and see no improvement unless they can't be arsed to carry out the trainers advise.

Op please let your friend know she is not letting her dog 'be reborn into a better life' ffs! She is murdering him unnecessarily, when there are people willing and able to help.

[chickchickchicken]

why? why pts when there is someone willing to help? i dont understand it and its extremely sad. poor dog

[Happymm]

:(

[fuckmepinkandcallmerosie]

Oh no

[2T2T]

what's happening!!!!! . Is the original poster having the dog put down??!?!?! She is lying - horrid horrid horrid

[2T2T]

why would she want a puppy??!?!?! I don't understand at all????

[Scuttlebutter]

To add to the breathtaking hypocrisy and miserable cruelty, the OP is now posting on the thread about Pet Bereavement. You couldn't make it up.

I hope the owner of this dog never has any other animals . I have other hopes but they are not very charitable.

To have a dog killed (or "sent to a better place" ) when a rescue has offered a placement is just jaw dropping.

[WhatsWrongWithYou]

This has to be the flakiest, saddest, most bizarre thread I've ever seen.
Absolutely shocking that this 'friend' would even contemplate taking on another dog after this.

Is the doghouse always like this?

[CheeseandGherkins]

Where is that thread Scuttle? I'm disgusted that anyone would have an animal put down when there was someone to help willing and able. It's pure sadism in my not so humble opinion

[K9999]

To be fair on the OP, Rob is frequently full, he takes the most difficult cases (so it's rare he has pups, has been known but uncommon, which is why I was surprised at the foster a pup and we'll sort big dog out deal which the OP seemed to indicate was Rob's offer). I don't know if Rob had offered to take the dog all I know is what I put above, that the owner had decided to kill.

It's Rob's birthday today *Happy Birthday darlin'!) so I haven't called, I thought he deserved a break so all I have is the pm message I have given you.

I'm trying not to get angry as there may be crossed wires and I don't want to vilify the OP unreasonably. I just don't understand how we could be told on here that the owner was on the phone to Rob and that a happy solution had been reached, which led us all to believe that Rob had offered some form of help yet be told by him something completely different. I went back to him and said that before I go off on one would he assure me he wasn't winding me up, he said he was dead serious.

[midori1999]

A few things in this thread don't add up, I am really hoping it was some horrible sort of wind up.

What the fuck is wrong with people that they would rather kill a dog (especially one they have owned for a year!) than try and find help for it?! Or perhaps it's a case that the person who had/has this dog feels they are so experienced if they can't solve the problems no-one can?

If this is true, I think a big clue to part of the problem here may be that the dog is 'nipping his human pack members'...

[Scuttlebutter]

The pet bereavement thread is in AIBU. Perhaps Purple will come back and update us.

If the thread is a wind up, then making sick jokes about having animals killed is beyond words.

[chickchickchicken]

I thought i saw the pet bereavement thread Scuttle in chat

[K9999]

Other thread

[DooinMeCleanin]

K9999 even if Rob said he could be of no help at all, there was still the other number you offered, they could have rang.

You mentioned Scallywags as local rescue, they could have rang there. They could have come back and asked for more numbers they could try.

Rob was not the only option you offered them. They haven't even tried to find a suitable solution.

[K9999]

Adele is Rob's second in command, Dooin, who helps him with his own rescue, though of course both have loads of contacts in other rescues and if they were unable to help practically I'm sure they could and would have offered advice and suggested other rescues to try. That's why I suggested calling both, because Rob, although he makes the decisions, doesn't necessarily know all Adele's contacts and she won't know all his.

I'm loathe to go all guns blazing as it may be all a big misunderstanding but right now I'm very confused and it isn't looking good, is it?

[MotherJack]

I agree with that, Dooin - but I don't think the OP has set out to deceive anyone using third person so she can't force her friend to do anything she may want to do herself. I do think that Purple wanted to help and has perhaps been mislead by her friend.

I think she was misguided in using certain phrases in her first post, but as they have been discussed it may be appropriate to move on from thinking that the OP really thinks killing the dog is the best thing. There ARE discrepancies throughout the thread (partly why I keep coming back to read it), but I would ask people to bear in mind that Purple is putting forward this info second hand. And I'm pretty sure that Purple has been supportive of animals in previous threads.

[MotherJack]

took me a long time to write that, so I can't claim it as a crosspost but otherwise I would have added "and K9999" after "Dooin".

It does look bad for the dog - but I don't think Purple is to blame.

[purplepidjin]

Rob is unable to help because he cannot do anything for the dog that isn't already being done. He would be doing the same as the current owner (who is NOT me) and he couldn't guarantee that he wouldn't need to put the dog to sleep anyway. Except, that would be in a week, a month, six months and the dog would be left confused and alone without his adored and adoring family.


None of you have any idea what it's like to be in this situation and, despite your insults and judgementalness, I hope you never do. This is a dog who has been broken beyond repair by his abuse. He has been beaten, starved, emotionally tortured, and been through the kind of treatment you lot obviously have no concept of. Lucky you. I hope it's not your child that is maimed or killed by a dog that fails to be rehabilitated, because that is what will happen with this dog.

[purplepidjin]

Oh, and thank you MotherJack. You're right, and people obviously think I posted this just to have an argument and not, in fact, to try any and every desperate last possible chance to help.

[MotherJack]

pssst... Purple - there are at least 2 people on this thread who are more than aware of the horrors of dog abuse and devote hours to try to save them. It is why this is such an emotive issue for them and probably why it's gone a bit awry.

[purplepidjin]

We all know. But some people appear to have forgotten that the effects don't go away. A dog is an intelligent predator fully capable of suffering mentally long after the physical scars have faded - I think we can all agree on that?

[chickchickchicken]

purple - i dont think its fair, or accurate, to say that people on this thread have been insulting and have no idea about dog abuse. your posts have been very contradictory and this has understandably raised suspicions. i find it particularly hard to read that the dog is child safe and then is about to kill or maim a child. that is very emotive language and understandably has upset people. i do also think that people have tried to help. is it the case now then that the dog will be killed tomorrow?

[emptyshell]

This thread is bizarre.

You gave out bits of information, you changed the story, when it wasn't going the way of people agreeing to PTS (which I think is what you wanted to be honest - a pat on the back and telling you it was all right) you threw in the "oooh could maim a child" card - despite this NEVER having been mentioned before.

You won't name the rescue - a rescue which, if we believe all this, put an incredibly difficult dog into completely the wrong home, which is a failure of all their processes - and definitely one I'd like to personally be able to avoid homing a dog from. Other rescuers' time has been wasted on the wild goose chase that was going to end in PTS from the get-go.

Oh and the "I hope it's not your child that gets maimed" line was utterly utterly unfuckingcalled for. (It won't be my child because all of mine died long before birth so it's also pointless in my case)