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Send your questions to The Dog Whisperer, Cesar Millan

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RachelMumsnet · 20/12/2010 15:53

Great news for all those in The Dog House. We've been given the opportunity to send our canine questions to none other than the Dog Whisperer himself, Cesar Millan. Cesar is over in the UK to promote his forthcoming new series of the UK version of 'The Dog Whisperer' which will be aired in UK on Nat Geo Wild in early February 2011. We'll be filming some members of Mumsnet HQ (plus dogs) putting your questions to Cesar in January and we will be airing the film across the site at the end of January, to coincide with the launch of his new series. To stand a chance of getting your question to Cesar, post them to this thread before end of Tuesday 21st December 2010.

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scottishmummy · 21/12/2010 11:45

milans methods are cruel.schleb status by cruelty to dogs isnt something to be proud off

campocaro · 21/12/2010 11:45

I'd like to know why my 2 yr old rescue collie/lab/69 varieties always pulls more on his lead when we leave the house and go locally for a walk but when we turn round towards home he is much more relaxed and hardly pulls at all.This is not to do with the side of the road we are on and it happens on lots of different walks so nothing to do with there being a wall or fence on one side. Also he doesnt pull at all when he's walking between two people. He also gets plenty of off lead walking.
Thanks

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 21/12/2010 11:53

campocaro

are you more excited by the thought of going out of teh house on a trip or by the thought of heading back home again?

VallhalaLalalalalalalalaaaaaa · 21/12/2010 11:54

campocaro, many dogs do this. It's usually a reaction to the excitement of going out to play. The chilled, slower walk home is a mix of having been exercised and no longer as energetic and the resignation that he is going home... how boring. :o

VallhalaLalalalalalalalaaaaaa · 21/12/2010 11:55

PMSL @ Boo. :o

RubyBuckleberry · 21/12/2010 11:55

scottishmummy imo that is bollox he clearly loves loves loves dogs and dedicates his life to helping them. his rescue centre in LA is not cruel Confused.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 21/12/2010 11:59

ruby he loves celebrity status and he loves dominating dogs and being his 'pack leader'.

VallhalaLalalalalalalalaaaaaa · 21/12/2010 12:01

RubyBuckleberry - if you follow this link you will see the work of an amazing man who dedicates his life to dogs, gives fantastic advice and who has seved far more from PTS than Cesar bloody Millan.

He's also done it without ever pinning a dog to the ground, without ever causing a dog to piss itself in fear, without ever half-asphixiating a dog, without ever using an electric shock collar and without ever using class="underline">dogblog.downtownpet.com/2007/08/prong-collar-painful-and-unnecessary.html one of these either

scottishmummy · 21/12/2010 12:01

well ruby your subjective pov not wholly shared here.i am specifically referring to the tv show methods which rspca et al have criticised

madmouse · 21/12/2010 12:19

scottishmummy the RSPCA is not much less controversial albeit on different grounds Hmm - I'm not a great RSPCA fan

I think Cesar is seen as controversial because he treats dogs like dogs, not pampered semi-human babies. I have worked with dogs and when I see him at work I see happy dogs, happy to be treated like dogs.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 21/12/2010 12:23

most dog trainers treat dogs like dogs madmouse! Hmm tehy wouldn't be succesful if they didn't. you can treat a dog like a dog without the use of shock collars, prong collars, pinning etc.

Bella32 · 21/12/2010 12:25

Madmouse - when you refer to 'happy dogs' are you including the one pinned to the floor for 9 minutes, suffocating and peeing itself too?

Hmm
VallhalaLalalalalalalalaaaaaa · 21/12/2010 12:31

madmouse, so in your view the way to treat a dog is to kick him, use electric shocks on him, use a prong collar on him, half strangle him into submission, pin him down and scare the shit out of him? Because that's CM's way of training.

Remember, for the RSPCA to speak out it's gotta be pretty serious. They are generally very much a conservative organisation with no time or respect for the views of more militant or extreme animal rights supporters.

All too often, when a dog reacts with aggression caused by Millan's training he ends up dead or, if he's very lucky, turfed out of his home and into rescue so that we can spend precious resources putting right the problems caused by Millan.

This family is already involved in the rehabilitation of one of Millan's damaged dogs, thanks to his fucked up thinking and as a result of that thinking a kid and an adult have been bitten. I do not want to see more of that and do not want to have to be saving the lives of MNers dogs - or worse reading of how they had their dogs killed - because they have followed Millan's advice thanks to MNHQ's ignorance of the subject.

madmouse · 21/12/2010 12:33

Iloveit - I agree that most dog trainers do - but many dog whisperer watchers don't

I must be honest and say I must have missed the episodes where he did those things? Confused - certainly have watched it often enough and seen firm but appropriate treatment

madmouse · 21/12/2010 12:34

I do find the posting on here a little bit on the aggressive and biased side of normal so will leave alone now

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 21/12/2010 12:35

"I agree that most dog trainers do - but many dog whisperer watchers don't"

i don't get this point? do you mean that because there are peopl who treat dogs as babies, there is a need for cesar? Confused

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 21/12/2010 12:37

biased in favour of the welfare of dogs isn't a bad thing madmouse.

midori1999 · 21/12/2010 12:37

I actually think a lot of the problem is that what he is saying is happening during his programmes is not always what is actually happening. What he descirbes as 'calm submoissive' is actually often a dog that is 'shut down', it is simply so upset and scared that it cannot function any further. Hence, sometimes when he is working with dogs, they refuse to take treats from him as they are simply so stressed.

His frequent excuses for his pinching, pinning and prodding of dogs are that 'it's what a mother dog does to her puppies' or 'it's what other dogs do to each other' are simply not true. I am very exerienced with bitches and puppies and so are most of my friends, yet none of us have ever seen a bitch reprimand a puppy using physical contact, they simply don't need to. It's also now well documented that dogs do not behave like this and the original studies (on wolves) that said they did were flawed.

VallhalaLalalalalalalalaaaaaa · 21/12/2010 12:39

"I do find the posting on here a little bit on the aggressive and biased side of normal so will leave alone now"

Given your contribution, not only to the thread, but potentially to human and dog welfare, I think that's just as well. Bluntly, you don't seem to be able to differentiate between personal experience and the "biased side of normal". For me, damaged dogs thanks to half baked training ideas and fucked up humans is normal, part, very sadly, of my life every day.

midori1999 · 21/12/2010 12:40

Posting may be in the aggressive side, but if someone posted about someone beating a dog to death or starving one to death, neglecting it so it was seriously ill, I would expect posting to be on the aggressive side too, because these are also dog welfare issues and dog lovers tend to get het up about these things.

Scuttlebutter · 21/12/2010 12:51

Compared to AIBU, this thread is actually quite polite and civilised! Looking at my own posts, I have not been either aggressive or biased - I have politely set out my grave and factual objections to this man's techniques, and supplied links to a website which sets out those objections clearly and in a measured, scientific way along with listing the organisations that also view this man with misgivings.

Of course, give a dog a bad name.... Xmas Grin I think actually CM is a snake oil salesman of the worst kind who has managed to build a career on giving dangerous, bonkers advice that no reputable dog expert would touch with a barge pole. There, aggressive and biased, and boy it felt good! Xmas Grin

Bella32 · 21/12/2010 12:52

I'm actually really glad this thread arose - I hope a few people will take the trouble to click on the links and see the truth about Cesar Millan.

Probably not the result Cesar was hoping for. Oh dear, what a shame Grin

scottishmummy · 21/12/2010 12:55

fans of a cruel bully asking others to cool it? aye maybe when he stops physically and mentally mistreating dogs and using implements and force upon them

positive is the discussion and recognition that his methods are cruel and unorthodox

WhereTheWildThingsWere · 21/12/2010 13:01

Everyone has already said everything I wanted to.

Except to add that in conversation once with a very well respected behaviouist I was told that sadly you can be terrible with dogs but brilliant with people and earn a very good living as a dog trainer, but if you are wonderful with dogs and crap with people, forget it.

Caesar Milan is a perfect example of this.

VallhalaLalalalalalalalaaaaaa · 21/12/2010 13:02

MNHQ, you have deleted three posts on here. I didn't read the first one but I did read those by Korma and LogLady and don't recall that they said anything too terrible.

So why have their comments been deleted please? Did a member complain or is it just that MNHQ didn't like their objections?

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