The Idaho Murders

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Has anyone watched on Netflix? I hadn’t really seen much about it apart from the headlines at the time. I’m only half way through but I cannot wrap my head around the two other girls in the house waiting 8 HOURS to call anyone having heard screams and seen an intruder in a ski mask, and even then it was a friend, not the police. What on earth?!?

There was an interesting take that the two other girls in the house have grown up with regular lock down drills at school.

So in case of danger they are taught to hide, remain silent, lock doors and silence phones and computers.

No idea if that’s the case but it could play into their reaction after years of training

You may not be able to wrap your head around it OP but no one knows how they would deal with it - how would these young people even think that what happened would happen? There but for the grace of God. Those poor girls got so much stick but shock and fear and youth doesn’t always make for the best decision making skills.

I've seen a lot of talk about this since the netflix documentary has come out and I find it sad that this seems to be the focus. We should really be focussing on how as a society we have vile creatures such as Kohberger amongst us that are capable of committing such horrific crimes.

I haven't watched this Netflix documentary yet but I was heavily following reporting at the time and before the trial.

My understanding is the nature of it being a college house meant there frequently were people being at the house, people coming and going, and people being loud. Obviously, the fact that one roommate saw the offender is harder to reconcile, but imagine being so young, living without older adults/parents present in a busy party scene house, and seeing something so sinister, it is so easy to me to see how a combination of the late hour, socialisation, fear and disbelief that something some literally awful, heinous and rare could have happened right in your home while you were not harmed or threatened yourself, could lead to the roommates not wanting to be dramatic by assuming something awful had occured and calling police.

What I found odd was that they did call friends but not the police? That part didn’t make much sense but I guess people act oddly when they are terrified!

And I agree with PP, the fact that these poor girls, especially the one who saw BK, are so heavily scrutinised, when they are so obviously and clearly (from impact statements) devastated, traumatised, and wracked with survivors guilt while this man slaughtered 4 people is beyond me.

I wonder if his weird fan club of young women whi congregated online to swoon over him will be mentioned.

I was listening to an interview with the Director and his reason for delaying the documentary is that prior to the conviction a number of people were not allowed to be interviewed and police evidence and footage was not available for broadcast.

He did also mention that Brian Kohberger has recently challenged his conviction and is looking to plead not guilty

I'm just reading an article in the DM and it says he was obsessed with one of the girls Maddie and had liked all her public photos. He first encountered her in a restaurant where she worked as a waitress. He made his way to her room first.

Were they under the age of 21? I read they were quite drunk so maybe they stupidly didn’t want to get in trouble for being drunk AND because they were drunk they didn’t quite appreciate what was going on

they also may have had drugs so another reason why they called friends and not the police first

The police officially confirmed they found no online or physical connection between Bryan Kohberger and any of the victims or surviving housemates after he pleaded guilty last year, despite working 'tirelessly' to find any. No evidence he'd ever entered the house before the night of the murders either.

I personally think he was framed because of his 'odd' behaviour which is due to his Autism.

There were 5 cars parked outside the house that night. Xana was still up to get her food delivery which he would have seen.

He must have planned to murder whoever he was targeting so carefully to leave zero DNA (apart from the incriminating knife sheath right on one of 2 of the victims beds, which he would have known he'd dropped before he left the house) and took zero DNA from the very bloody murder scene, left no unusually large footprints in the snow but he went into a house he didn't know or how many people were in it, the dog who was in a bedroom with the door open didn't bark, and nobody heard 4 people being horrifically murdered in a dense residential area, including at least one fighting back.

It stinks. The police didn't have a single suspect for the very high profile, absolutely horrific murders of 4 young students in a college town with a terrified population for 3 weeks. They needed one.

He's also a vegan with an aversion to blood, just to make it more nuts.

I have started watching this it gives a sifferwnt perspective to another programme I saw on it year or so ago maybe which had a different focus - it was about the internet ‘sleuths’ who post all the online theories and ‘investigate’ crimes.

For the rest of his life yes.

He should have faced the Death penalty, but did a plea deal.

@DefunctCode you say he left zero dna apart from the dna on the knife sheath. Do you not think his dna being on the knife sheath of the murder weapon is pretty damming? If he’s not the killer why was his dna there.

he didn’t know the victims but he followed two of them on social media and repeatedly liked their posts. So there was an online connection.

he was seen cleaning the inside of his car out while wearing gloves which firstly is odd behaviour but more importantly could have removed any evidence.

Then he admitted to it, hence why there’s been no trial. If he was innocent surely he’d have wanted a trial right from the beginning. I know he’s bleating that he’s innocent now but why ever admit it if that were true.

How fortunate for the police and according to you the real culprit that there was an innocent patsy who happened to be driving past the house many times, had bought a knife of the same type as the murder weapon, left his dna at the scene and admitted to the murders

They must have been mighty relieved when they found him

What is your theory?

Yeah i remember reading that they had been drinking and were sort of semi oblivious to what was going on in the rest of the house.

If only you were there to assist the police with your fantastic detective skills and your powerful defence argument of ‘he was a vegan’.

FFS

I remember reading something about humans always downplaying things to protect themselves and it made me think about this differently. These girls were 18 (I think - young regardless) and the house was a party house where people came and went. Even the fact one of them saw him leaving wouldn’t have made her immediately think he was a murderer who had just sneaked in and murdered her flatmates - these things happen so so rarely that is not the first thing these girls would have presumed, even if they were freaked out. What I actually found more unusual was when friends arrived in the morning and saw the victims lying in their rooms they didn’t approach them and see all the blood?! They thought they were just passed out? I found that quite strange.

The DNA was 'touch' as in transferable DNA and there are some irregularities as to how it was matched to Kohberger. Kind of odd there was none on the actual sheath itself if it was his. It was only found on the press stud which is an obvious place to find DNA..

He didn't follow any of them on SM. The police stated they could find no physical or online connection to any of the housemates. You can easily check this by googling. They said this at the press conference after his sentencing.

He had ASD, and also OCD, and had obsessions about germs and washing his hands. I wear disposable gloves (you can get boxes of 100 for a few £ on Amazon), when taking rubbish out and cleaning out my car. Many people do when doing dirty jobs.

I believe the sighting you are referring to was when he went home for Christmas break SIX WEEKS after the murders. I kind of think he would have logically disposed of any evidence a while before then! The interior of his car was disassembled btw, and no a trace of DNA, blood or a single hair was found from the victims or the house. This was the vehicle he jumped into straight after stabbing 4 people an accumulated 150+ times and sped off in.

He had also done a cross country trip home with his Dad in the car so you would assume there was rubbish to be disposed of. His parents may have asked their neighbours if they could put rubbish in their bins if theirs were full after Christmas.

The reason he took a plea deal was due to the prosecution repeatedly delaying the defence having access to evidence, the Judge denying legitimate legal motions, which would have meant he had no way of a fair trial in addition to his guilt already being determined by media and public. This was a death penalty case. His mother was also publicly opposed the death penalty years before the murder and his parents and sisters were very involved in his defence.

He's now filed an appeal to vacate his plea and asking for a new trial which will be death penalty as well, saying he was misadvised by his defence and coerced into taking the plea deal to avoid the death penalty by firing squad. This has probably come about due to evidence he hadn't even seen being released to the public.

This case stinks to high heaven and the victims deserve justice IMO.

Must admit I think something smells off too. I don’t normally think like this with true crime documentaries but how quickly the house was demolished and how the police handled it at the start does raise questions. I don’t judge anyone hiding if they were scared rather than calling 911 especially if they were worried about drinking and possibly taking drugs - they won’t have been thinking clearly. Just an awful thing - and not knowing why either.
I can imagine I would plead guilty to something if it meant no death penalty - at least then in my head I would be thinking I could appeal. It is all really strange

Ps my dd cleans her car wearing gloves because she has sensory issues and I’m pretty sure she hasn’t killed anyone 🙈

CNN say he followed 3 of the victims on social media and repeatedly messaged one.

I think they were probably worried about getting into trouble for alcohol (and / or drugs?) so may have waited until things were out of their system. They may also have fallen asleep because they were intoxicated.

I took would have liked to know more about the killer's prior connection to the victims. It did feel like there were a lot of gaps in what was covered.

The prime docu explains this as in she thought she was dreaming. They fell asleep and in the cold light of day she realised.

Well sure CNN knows better than the police.

Bryan Kohberger had no connection to his four Idaho victims: investigators