Ruby Franke documentary BBC 3 parts

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Did anyone watch this, I think it was the first part this week but I then watched the other 2 episodes on Iplayer

What a shit show this woman was.

There is one on Netflix and one on Disney Plus.

Seen it before. Netflix I think. About 2 years ago.

The woman was a fucking psychopath. AND that women she did her little skits with...

Those poor, poor children...

The popular saying is "for good people to do evil - that takes religion." If you can convince someone that a person is evil and they are doing God's work by hurting them, or that a person is good and we should follow their teachings, it is is easy over time to groom someone into terrible things.

Watched all of them Netflix and the BBC/Disney+ one.
Also the current Netflix one on Jodi that delves into her background.

Shari reads her own audio book on audible.
It goes into much more detail of family life.

I hope the pair of them get the full 30, probably unlikely, but glad of the much lengthier stateside penal system than over here.

I've watched the first episode and found it upsetting.

Saw that one too - that was about a breakaway sect from the LDS which still practises polygamy. Not the standard church members.

I don't think Kevin didn't understand what the word emaciated meant. I think he was shocked by what he was hearing and processing so said 'what do you mean emaciated?' or whatever the exact words he used were, in the same way someone might say 'what do you mean dead?, I don't understand' when hearing about a sudden death and it just doesn't seem real or to make sense at first.

I thought he literally asked 'what does emaciated mean'

He did but you have to take it on the context of the circumstances and the entire interview.

He hadn't seen his wife or kids for over a year then gets communication from Ruby telling him to pick his kids up from the Police station as there's been an emergency.

He arrives expecting to collect his kids then is taken into a room, read his rights and questioned for 25 minutes without the Police telling him what has happened but if you watch the full interview it comes across that they may be suspecting him of something.

At one point they are asking about Jodi and say 'so you value Jodi?' and he says 'I don't know what that means? He's brainwashed at this point and when they clarify what they mean he says Jodi is a honest and trustworthy individual.

In the 1st 25 minutes they ask lots of questions about discipline, Jodi, the separation with Ruby, 8 passengers, the current physical state of his DC and so on.

Early in the interview he says he was contacted by someone to collect his kids but he declines to say who. It was Ruby.

At one point they ask if he has any questions and he says 'I want to know what is going on and why I've been asked to pick up my kids' but they don't give any information.

They try to trip him up or the detective was confused but they claim he said that someone from the Police station contacted him to collect his kids when he had never said that but that obviously looked to him like they were trying to trick him.

After 25 minutes of questions with him not knowing what was going on, they say about the boy knocking on doors and being emaciated and then Kevin says 'what does emaciated mean?' and the detective explains and then talks about duct tape and wounds and Kevin says 'what?' a minute or so later they say the DC are under medical care right now and Kevin says 'what does that mean?'.

They leave him alone for a few minutes and then come back in and Kevin says he feels like they've got his DC confused with somebody else and he's having a hard time accepting why they're saying.

So him saying I don't know what that means/what does that mean happened 3 times in about 30 minutes and I think it was just him wanting confirmation in a high-stress situation where he was being interviewed by Police under caution without knowing why he's being questioned then has a bomb dropped that his kids look like they were being tortured.

What sort of things does she talk about? Was the Mother abusive before Jodie and taking the little kids away etc?

Very, very niche beliefs even in the FLDS.

Sam Bateman, the subject of the False Prophet documentary on Netflix sustained a serious traumatic brain injury in 2000 and after that was known to be quite disabled cognitively and emotionally as was clear to see in the show.

A few years before Christine started filming him his 1st wife left him as he said God had told him to marry their 12 year old daughter. She was granted a release from him by the FLDS which is virtually unheard of, Warren Jeffs kicked Sam out of the FLDS and she remains part of the FLDS.

He was going around the community trying to gain followers but 99% of them thought he was handicapped or nuts, shunned him and kept calling the Police.

It was only 3 men and some of their wives who were apparenty already open to the idea of homosexuality, group sex sometimes in front of their own children, and raping children, that joined.

So the brainwashing excuses and religious beliefs are valid to a point but when they don't apply to the overwhelming majority of others with the same background, cultures and religious beliefs who reject them, they become less valid.

Yes. Verbally, emotionally and physically. Which Kevin did nothing to stop.

The older kids said when Jodi 1st came on the scene, Ruby actually became much less abusive for a while but over time, with Jodis influence, things got weirder and weirder and then we know what happened to the younger kids.

Yes, long before this.

I thought it was interesting that Shari is complaining against family bloggers, it reminded me of another documentary I saw ages ago where the mum massively exploited her dd on YouTube for financial gain.

The whole thing is tragic and I agree their dad was beyond useless, I don’t think the younger kids should have been given back to him.

I agree he couldn’t process what the police were telling him about the state of his children.

Why did the dad not see the children for a year?
I don't get that

Also the two middle children were found at Ruby's neighbour's house. Were they not living with with Ruby and Jodi and the two youngest? Or is it just that they were at the neighbour's house for the day? Was it just the two youngest who were abused?

And wow, when I heard the dad say he still loved her at the end

Does the dad have a relationship with any of them now?

Because Ruby told him he couldn’t see them so he didn’t 🤷‍♀️

Think the four youngest children are back living with him

What's the name of Shari's book please?

The House of my Mother.

I have watched quite a bit about this case. Absolutely horrific.

I have a lot of respect for Shari. And it makes perfect sense she doesn't call them mum and dad.

One of the things that happened, thats not mentioned in the documentary, is after Ruby was arrested, the neighbours contacted Shari to tell her what was happening.
Shari legged it over to the house and got all the paperwork, notebooks, laptops etc and gave them to the police.
Kevin went to the police station and told them to arrest and charge Shari for burglary/robbery.

Can you imagine?!
This daughter did everything she could to save her siblings and then got as much evidence to help with the case. And her dad, the person who should have been doing all of this, wants her arrested and imprisoned.

According to the interviews Shari is trying to rebuild her relationship with her dad.

Wow I did not know that

I'm a bit shocked that the dad just didn't contact or try to have contact with the children after Ruby kicked him out

And the younger ones are living with him. It doesn't paint in a great light!! But maybe he's still the best option for them!

I've gone the rabbit hole with this case. The whole 'family you tube'/'mummy vloggers' thing is fascinating to me.
Especially as the children, like Shari, are now adults and explaining the impact of their entire childhoods being filmed and put on YouTube.

The thing about the dad, Kevin is a strange one for me. He is an absolutely terrible dad, no question.
But, and it is just my view. I can understand why he did not contact his children and did whatever Ruby and Jodi told him to do.

He wasn't the only man (husband/father) this happened to. I've watched interviews with 3 men who Jodi did exactly the same with. But there are many many more.

Its a culmination of the culture, the Mormon religion, the education, friends, family, life views and then the manipulation from Jodi, the 'cult' group she set up, that all fed into Kevin doing what he did.

It doesn't excuse the fact he didnt protect his children, he needs to spend the rest of his life asking for forgiveness from his kids.

Horrific abuse and all in the name of fame, followers and religion! I hope both Ruby and Jodi stay locked up for 30 years and as for the Dad he was pathetic and also abusive as he just stood by and allowed it to happen to his precious children. Its very concerning that he has parental responsibility for the younger children, l hope he is being monitored closely. The 2 adult children are amazing, especially Shari, but all of them will no doubt need therapy for the rest of their lives.