Michael Jackson: the verdict on Netflix

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Has anyone watched this 3 parter yet?

I watched it yesterday and am still struggling to understand how he was found not guilty on all charges!

Yes some of the witnesses were discredited and shown to be unreliable (Gavin's mum), but the information the children had all matched up (including the physical description of MJ's genitalia). How would they have managed to get that right otherwise?

I have watched lots of things about MJ and always thought there's no way they could have made this all up just for money.

However, I have also read that some of the things that were claimed did NOT match up (like the physical description of the genitalia).

So now I'm even more confused!

And an alarm system to alert him when anyone was going up the stairs to the bedroom.

Yes. This 😳

You should also watch the documentary square one Michael Jackson which explains most of the con artists who tried to extort MJ. I've watched many documentarys about this over the years. I've come to the conclusion people are sick and care more about money than anything. The FBI found nothing on him after years of investigation. Jordans dad was estranged from him until his son hung around with MJ and then his eyes rung up with money and he pretty much drugged his son until me made up lies about him. Its sick for real victims. Jordan is estranged from his parents now, I wonder why. The question you need to ask is why parents willingly left their children alone with him especially after said allegations. ($$$$He's a messed up individual and too trusting and people have taken advantage. His staff were paid money for interviews so it was in their interest to lie and they lost their own employement cases against him which gives them more ammunition to lie. As pp has said Corey Feldman had been exposing hollywood Peados for years and was ignored, he said Jackson never did anything and he was telling them who were predators and they ignored it as they just wanted to extract fake info about Michael but to his credit Corey has always stated he was innocent.

Why do you think he slept in the same bed with unrelated children then? And how did they know about the pork and markings on his body?

The children likely don't stay in touch with their parents because they allowed a grown man to share their bed and sexually abuse them.

Watch the other documentary lots of questions answered. I always thought he was guilty, of course a man sleeping in a room with kids is bloody madness. As pp have said his room wasn't a bedroom it was the size of my whole house but no excuse I know, it left him open for scrutiny. I honestly think he was not all there and innocent in his head, and didn't really have the same thoughts as a normal person would in regards to this. A predator would hide and be sneaky he was quite open and honest about sharing his room and seemed to be confused as to why anyone else would think it was odd. Speaks of his mentality of a child. All our opinions of course. I've watched many documentarys now and this is my conclusion. I implore you to watch it and then see what you think.

Everything I've seen makes me convinced he's a paedophile. Just because he didn't molest Corey or McCauley doesn't mean he didn't assault boys who were less famous/more vulnerable/had parents who were starstruck by MJ.

Like another poster said, any other man having boys in his bed....

Of course he wouldn’t touch McCauley Culkin. He’s very clever and manipulative like many child groomers and paedophiles. Very convenient that it was kids from poor, fucked up families he decided to take to bed with him and do “nothing”.

What could be more innocent than sharing a bed with a 40 year old reclusive weirdo with a fun fair and a bedroom full of porn? And warning bells in the entrance!

Thank goodness we don’t have to worry about him doing it to others now, but what is depressing is the amount of people, especially women, who are prepared to overlook the obvious - vulnerable children being abused - just because they have stars in their eyes over someone rich and powerful. Happened with families and priests in the Catholic Church too.

Those arseholes screaming and waving placards about his innocence at the court house should be ashamed. He was not convicted because of smoke and mirrors and the monumental imbalance of power in the court room. Highly paid lawyers screaming at uneducated teenagers etc. He was not innocent. He just got away with it.

They weren’t just sleeping in the same bedroom. They were in the same bed. An innocent and childlike man who also watches porn? He is like Savile - hiding in plain sight.

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That documentary is a load of shit.

Evan Chandler was investigated for extortion and no charges were filed.The supporters fixate on a small clip from the recording about him wanting to destroy Jackson as if that proves anything, it would be normal to want to destroy someone who molested your son. And the rest of the recording shows he was deeply concerned that Jordan was being abused.

A drug had been administered to Jordan because he was getting a tooth pulled, he did open up to his dad then, and Jordan also described everything that happened to a psychiatrist, which was a very very believable account.

Jordans dad is dead, Jordan was estranged from him before he died, but he had a relationship with him for a long time, plus there are pictures of an adult Jordan with his mother online, so at some point after the Arvizo trial they seem to have reconciled.

It doesn't matter what size his bedroom was, the boys were in his bed.

He didn't hide because he didn't have to, and he was a different kind of pedophile, one that wanted relationships with boys, not just to sexually abuse them.

The whole confusion you mention is exactly the way those pedophiles go on, they act like what they're doing is normal, natural and mutually beneficial and that it's just society that has an issue with it because people are 'ignorant'.

He was guilty AF and I’ve spent so much time on the other thread.

If MJ had been born in the age of digital he’d never have got away with his depraved, disgusting behaviour.

He makes me sick and I shall never play his music ever again, knowing that songs like ‘The way you make me feel’ were based on children.

It was definitely the perfect time for him, as a lot of the information is only available on the internet in fragments here and there and he has benefited from that because it can be hard to find in the sea of all of the misinformation from fans.

Of course now he's benefitting from AI with many of his supporters seemingly believing that AI clip going around of Macauley apparently saying MJ saved him from getting on a plane to Epstein island.

Some of the fans are ridiculously sneaky also, if you search for 'Leaving Neverland 2' on youtube and click on the listing with that name the video that plays is square one.

I watched "Michael Jackson: The Verdict" and think he didn't do it 🤷‍♀️

The description of his genitalia by Jordie in 1993 did not match what we now know after the autopsy. He never wanted to testify in the later trial and was estranged from his parents. It appears the father pushed him into the whole thing in 1993.

All the pornography found in the suitcase was straight adult pornography.

The 2003 prosecution witnesses were for the most part awful and not credible. Debbie flipping on the stand just shows that people who knew him closely didn't want to testify against him.

People preyed on his money and trusting nature. It's very sad because he was an absolute genius and there will never be another like him.

The description of the markings matched.

There are different reports about whether Jordan said Michael was circumcised or not, and the autopsy said he was, but that's a very easy mistake to make, they would look the same when erect.

He didn't want to testify, but he was getting death threats and media and fans camping outside his home so that is no surprise.

Jordan filed a suit against Michael again in 1998 when he was 18 for breaching the confidentially agreement for talking about the case publicly.

He did later become estranged from his father after his dad attacked him, but he also appears to have reconciled with his mother at some point after she testified in the 2005 trial, as there are pictures of Jordan with his mother when he is an adult.

The pornography in the briefcases may have been adult pornography but the books in his filing cabinet were books full of pictures of naked boys, some with their legs spread and genitals on display, and they are books made by pedophiles and used by pedophiles.

Debbie flipping on the stand may also show that people who knew him closely were scared to testify against him or had a vested interest in not testifying against him.

And even if he didn't sexually abuse kids, (I believe he did), he literally brought it on himself by sleeping in bed with little boys and having inappropriate relationships with them.

The markings didn't match apart from the general idea that he had vitiligo, which was public knowledge. No markings on his buttocks at all which he described. He said he was circumcised, which he wasn't.

No, the exact patches on his penis matched, he didn't just say 'he had patches on his penis'.

I addressed the circumcision already in my response reports on that seem to be unclear about whether Jordan said he was circumcised or not, but it would be an easy mistake to make because they would look the same when they were erect

MJs lawyers literally said that the description was the 300lb gorilla in the negotiation room and how they silenced the victim to keep it out of the criminal court.

@kkloo What is your source gor saying the description of the exact markings matched because everything I have seen online states that the markings he described did not match except one discolouration on the right side apparently, but nothing else he drew matched. Surely if they slept in the same bed on 30+ occasions and he was naked in front of him he would have known he wasn't circumcised? Feels like guesswork as most men in the US got circumcised at the time and everyone knew he had Vitiligo.

Law enforcement and the prosecution said they matched.

And why would they be the 300lb gorilla in the negotiation room if they didn't match?

Initially even after the abuse started Michael he wasn't naked in front of him and said something like he wished he didn't have to close the door when he had a shower and got changed, and Jordan said the first time that they saw each other naked was when they had baths so it's very possible that he didn't have a good look when he wasn't erect.

And if you read Jordans session with the psychiatrist absolutely nothing about how he described the abuse sounds like guesswork. I don't believe that that's the story that anyone would make up if they were making up a story.

He will have had access to the best lawyers money could buy. He had status and fame. I find him fascinating but just don’t what to think. Always suspected he was guilty but obviously hope he was innocent.

@kkloo Not seen anything confirming this? His genitalia were apparently completely white when he died. If it were true that there was evidence that the 1993 sketch made by Jordan matched the naked photos that were taken of Michael then, don't you think that this is prime evidence that the prosecution would have used in the 2005 trial given that they were allowed to refer to the 1993 case and had Jordan's mother on the stand? That evidence clearly didn't exist.

As for Debbie, her alleged motive for flipping that Michael may have promised her to see their kids, makes no sense. Surely, given that they were locked in a custody battle, him getting sent to prison for child molestation would have beeb her golden opportunity to get back custody of their children? She had vested interest in testifying against him, yet she refused to when she saw him in court.

Debbie Rowe is a narcissist herself and she regarded her children as ‘gifts’ to be given and received which is downright sick.

Where are the child’s rights to have a relationship with both parents?

Re: the markings described by Jordy Chandler, as has been repeatedly pointed out on these threads, the police investigating said that Jc’s testimony was corroborated by the warrant they carried out.

The family stopped cooperating with the police and that’s why it didn’t go further.

Nobody wants to think he was guilty but he clearly was. There is no other conclusion that one can draw in 2026 if people stop lying to themselves because it’s uncomfortable for them to accept that he had a depraved obsession with children which was sexual.

The Chandlers could have pursued a criminal trial, but they (and by they I mean the parents). But they took the money and ran.

The description of Jackson’s genitalia didn’t match, two detectives said they did. Big deal.

As for the documentary, it was sensationalist shallow rubbish, on the whole.

I do tend to agree with this. I know a detective on the show said she heard the description matched, but there is zero evidence of this. Those 1993 sketches and photos of Michael were never used by the prosecution in the 2005 trial (which they would have been allowed to do as they were given permission to refer to the 1993 investigation) because they clearly wouldn't have helped the prosecution case. Michael was very vocal after 1993 that the description did not match and no one has produced any evidence to suggest it did.