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We’ll Meet You At The Fire Pit | Traitors 2026 | Thread 13 | THERE WILL BE SPOILERS

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CaveMum · 23/01/2026 22:47

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Thread to continue discussions of Traitors 2026 (UK Version)

If you haven’t seen the Final of this year’s Traitors then stop right there and get yourself over to iPlayer.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you!

Players, the floor is yours…

End Game: The Battle of Ardross Castle. Who Will Triumph - the Pouting Milk Maid, the Interchangeables, Jade, or The Traitors? | Traitors 2026 | Thread 12 | Spoiler Free! | Mumsnet

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FishfingerFlinger · 24/01/2026 09:34

CharlotteRumpling · 24/01/2026 09:23

I agree Rachel was more reactive and take charge than Stephen, which some people think makes her unlikeable. I think it makes her likeable.

I think IRL she could be a brilliant friend to have, she seems like the kind of person who would step up in a crisis.

I do think we judge women differently to men - being powerful and in control can be judged harshly which is really unfair. If she were a man I don’t think there would be half as much commentary about likeability.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2026 09:35

I'm baffled by how some people have reacted to Rachel. I thought she was great right from the beginning. Far less self-absorbed than some of the youngsters. From what we've seen I'd have been very happy to have her as a colleague or neighbour or school Mum.

Isekaied · 24/01/2026 09:35

RipplePlease · 24/01/2026 08:59

Although I felt initially miffed that there was no big surprise/betrayal between Rachel and Stephen, I’m now pleased they won.
As many have said, Rachel was a superb player, Stephen was perhaps a bit lucky to be paired with her and their loyalty to each other was ultimately the polar opposite of traitorous.
Anyone going to watch the Irish Traitors?

I will be watching but might wait until a few episodes have built up

YouWillNeverGuessMyUsername · 24/01/2026 09:36

Iamthesecrettraitor · 24/01/2026 09:17

I am another who was desperate for Rachel to go but during last nights episode was actually wanting her and Stephen to win.

I just looked back and her exact words last night were ‘I really hope Stephen has my back because, God help him if he doesn’t, I will take him down’. So we can take from that what we wish about whether she’d have thrown him under the bus but my gut is that she would had she been in the situation where she could have guaranteed he’d gone or guaranteed the whole pot her herself.

I personally found Rachel quite unlikeable even in episode one. Just very very serious and didn’t seem much fun about her. If that makes me misogynistic then obviously I am.

That's her saying "if he goes back on the pact, he will suffer the consequences"

Which is fair.

It's not her going "I'm gonna betray him first opportunity I get"

Chilliandbanana · 24/01/2026 09:39

Iamthesecrettraitor · 24/01/2026 09:17

I am another who was desperate for Rachel to go but during last nights episode was actually wanting her and Stephen to win.

I just looked back and her exact words last night were ‘I really hope Stephen has my back because, God help him if he doesn’t, I will take him down’. So we can take from that what we wish about whether she’d have thrown him under the bus but my gut is that she would had she been in the situation where she could have guaranteed he’d gone or guaranteed the whole pot her herself.

I personally found Rachel quite unlikeable even in episode one. Just very very serious and didn’t seem much fun about her. If that makes me misogynistic then obviously I am.

I think she meant that if she realised at any point he had turned on her then she would take him down not that she would have betrayed him proactively. I believed her when she said she wouldn’t go back on her word.

FishfingerFlinger · 24/01/2026 09:40

YouWillNeverGuessMyUsername · 24/01/2026 09:36

That's her saying "if he goes back on the pact, he will suffer the consequences"

Which is fair.

It's not her going "I'm gonna betray him first opportunity I get"

Yeah if the tables were turned in the final vote and Rachel had been the one with the opportunity to take all the money, I really don’t know that she would have done.

Isekaied · 24/01/2026 09:41

Stowickthevast · 24/01/2026 09:14

We were doing predictions before the episode and none of us thought Rachel could survive. Her gameplay in the last episode of persuading Faraaz to view with her was brilliant. She saw where the cracks were and exploited them perfectly to get to the end. Obviously Stephen also played his part and could have turned on her, but the team traitors win was a great ending.

Jade messed herself up by voting Faraaz, although in the end it didn't matter. But if she actually thought Stephen would vote for Rachel, she should have done the same.

In terms of the American one, although the characters are more annoying, they do play the game more strategically and understand voting blocks better. There's an episode in US season 2 (not a spoiler) where Sandra, who has won Survivor twice, uses the snooker balls to explain how they have to vote to get their desired outcome. The UK faithful haven't really done this yet.

Yes

I said in the last thread if they get Jade out first the traitors have got a chance.

I think Rachel knew she had no chance of persuading Jack so spent her time with Jade and Faraaz.

Asn Stephen spend his time persuading Jack.

Then once Jade was out.

Again Rachel spent her time persuading Faraaz. And Stephen spent time with Jack.

It was the only.way they would be sure to win. If Jack voted for Rachel and Faraaz voted Stephen.

Then both of them vote for the same person.

All of this would have been planned way beforehand in the turret but they didn't show us that part.

So wasn't really surprised when they were mentioning each others names. Because that was the only way they could have won. If the faithful vote was split.

The only variable was at the last vote if Stephen would stick to the pact or not.

mixedpeel · 24/01/2026 09:41

FishfingerFlinger · 24/01/2026 09:34

I think IRL she could be a brilliant friend to have, she seems like the kind of person who would step up in a crisis.

I do think we judge women differently to men - being powerful and in control can be judged harshly which is really unfair. If she were a man I don’t think there would be half as much commentary about likeability.

Edited

I agree. If a man had played it exactly as Rachel did he would’ve been praised for his soft skills at getting people to trust him.

threesocksmorgan · 24/01/2026 09:45

great ending.
Rachel still had a mean streak though. but in the end the faithfuls were not good at sticking with what they thought.
Farez was on the news and mentioned that the RT lasts about an hour, so we only see a really edited version.

PotteryChuck · 24/01/2026 09:45

Isekaied · 24/01/2026 09:41

Yes

I said in the last thread if they get Jade out first the traitors have got a chance.

I think Rachel knew she had no chance of persuading Jack so spent her time with Jade and Faraaz.

Asn Stephen spend his time persuading Jack.

Then once Jade was out.

Again Rachel spent her time persuading Faraaz. And Stephen spent time with Jack.

It was the only.way they would be sure to win. If Jack voted for Rachel and Faraaz voted Stephen.

Then both of them vote for the same person.

All of this would have been planned way beforehand in the turret but they didn't show us that part.

So wasn't really surprised when they were mentioning each others names. Because that was the only way they could have won. If the faithful vote was split.

The only variable was at the last vote if Stephen would stick to the pact or not.

I think there would have been some significant turret conversations between Rachel and Stephen showing they would be loyal to each other & with a plan but obviously the edit wouldn't have shown that, as thet wanted us to question Stephen

mixedpeel · 24/01/2026 09:46

Just got to get off my chest that Roxy going into the castle with a secret relationship indicates that she was willing to deceive by omission,

Anyone signing up to take part has to know that at least some players are going to be lying to them, even if they themselves request to become a Faithful in the chat with Claudia.

YouWillNeverGuessMyUsername · 24/01/2026 09:47

FishfingerFlinger · 24/01/2026 09:40

Yeah if the tables were turned in the final vote and Rachel had been the one with the opportunity to take all the money, I really don’t know that she would have done.

Nope. Just as we had no idea what Stephen would have done until the reveal.

If Stephen had done it, he'd have "got away" with itz and everyone would be going "but that's the gaaaaaaame", had Rachel done it, everyone would be saying "she's awful, evil, dishonest and stole Stephen's money".

As it is, she never betrayed him, never hinted that she might, yet somehow it's being said that she was definitely going to do that, that she's not deserving, she got through on luck...and all focusing on.about how amazing Stephen was to share 'his' winnings etc.

Damned if she did, damned if she didn't...
Women cannot win!

u3ername · 24/01/2026 09:47

I can’t help but think if Rachel was the one with the certain option of winning alone, she would’ve gone for it. She only turned super loyal to Stephen after she was in proper danger and really needed him. I think she was very lucky someone like him was in the turret.

I don’t blame him for not trusting her at all - he watched her tell so many lies without flinching.

The way she manipulated Faraz at the end was just so unpleasant to watch…
Stephen won with integrity and her win was only reliant on his generosity.

I would've absolutely loved it if Faz voted Rachel with Jack. That would’ve been great tv.

And I love Claudia and everything she says but had to not look at her during Uncloacked as her fringe was truly hurting my eyes.

YouWillNeverGuessMyUsername · 24/01/2026 09:48

threesocksmorgan · 24/01/2026 09:45

great ending.
Rachel still had a mean streak though. but in the end the faithfuls were not good at sticking with what they thought.
Farez was on the news and mentioned that the RT lasts about an hour, so we only see a really edited version.

A mean streak? Where was that on display?

Isekaied · 24/01/2026 09:49

Fulmine · 24/01/2026 09:22

That was true at the point when Jack was the only faithful left, but turning around Faraaz was totally down to Rachel.

I don't get why people say Rachel was ruthless but Stephen wasn't. He couldn't possibly have got to the end without being ruthless about murdering or framing his friends and people who trusted him 100%, and he was very strategic about it.

The faithful lost when Faraaz and Jack were not united in who they were going to vote out.

Jack.coulnt decide between trusting faraaz or Stephen.

There was a small chance if he had sat down and made an agreement with Faraaz that they would both vote the same way. Then it would have been a draw.

The whole way through Jack was saying Faraaz was the one he would take to the end but he bottled it. He couldn't decide between Stephen and Faraaz.

YouWillNeverGuessMyUsername · 24/01/2026 09:49

u3ername · 24/01/2026 09:47

I can’t help but think if Rachel was the one with the certain option of winning alone, she would’ve gone for it. She only turned super loyal to Stephen after she was in proper danger and really needed him. I think she was very lucky someone like him was in the turret.

I don’t blame him for not trusting her at all - he watched her tell so many lies without flinching.

The way she manipulated Faraz at the end was just so unpleasant to watch…
Stephen won with integrity and her win was only reliant on his generosity.

I would've absolutely loved it if Faz voted Rachel with Jack. That would’ve been great tv.

And I love Claudia and everything she says but had to not look at her during Uncloacked as her fringe was truly hurting my eyes.

She didn't turn "super loyal" she was always loyal... She would have only turned on Stephen if he had turned in her first. At no point was it indicated ever that she might break the promise.

Stephen however...

NameChangedForThis2025 · 24/01/2026 09:51

I’ve only just caught up, what a final!!! The perfect outcome but omg it was tense getting there.

What I loved about it was that 90% of this game has been Rachel’s game, she’s been the cool-as-a-cucumber puppet-master and she’s had Stephen’s back a number of times when the heat has been on him, when it would have been much easier for her not to interfere. BUT come the end game… Stephen is surrounded by allies, Rachel is on the ropes so Stephen just has to go with the group and the whole pot is his for the taking. Whether or not their pact held was all on him holding his nerve and making moves that might risk everything for him. Couldn’t have been written better!

IsThisTheReaLife · 24/01/2026 09:52

FishfingerFlinger · 24/01/2026 09:40

Yeah if the tables were turned in the final vote and Rachel had been the one with the opportunity to take all the money, I really don’t know that she would have done.

But, I wouldnt judge her if she had taken the money. There is a massive difference between 50K and a 100K.

The only thing thst would stop me is the public perception, being on TV.

BlueLimes · 24/01/2026 09:54

YouWillNeverGuessMyUsername · 24/01/2026 09:47

Nope. Just as we had no idea what Stephen would have done until the reveal.

If Stephen had done it, he'd have "got away" with itz and everyone would be going "but that's the gaaaaaaame", had Rachel done it, everyone would be saying "she's awful, evil, dishonest and stole Stephen's money".

As it is, she never betrayed him, never hinted that she might, yet somehow it's being said that she was definitely going to do that, that she's not deserving, she got through on luck...and all focusing on.about how amazing Stephen was to share 'his' winnings etc.

Damned if she did, damned if she didn't...
Women cannot win!

I’m not sure that’s true, if Stephen had taken it all, I think people would have thought that was a terrible thing to do and he would have had a lot of negativity. Rightly so.

GhostOrchid · 24/01/2026 09:54

Another one who thought Rachel played a brilliant game but didn’t particularly warm to her as person. Whoever said she lacked a fun side had it spot on.

Her styling in the final was very Lady Macbeth (and I thought she looked fantastic) so it felt the production leant into that a bit.

rainforestalliance · 24/01/2026 09:55

Just saw the cardigan brand on TikTok say they have some stock to the traitors stylists so they indeed have clothes they can choose to wear.

On another note does anyone feel like the prize money should be higher for such a big successful TV show? Especially when you compare with the likes of Who wants to be a millionaire or even Deal or no deal where bigger prizes are won.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/01/2026 09:56

u3ername · 24/01/2026 09:47

I can’t help but think if Rachel was the one with the certain option of winning alone, she would’ve gone for it. She only turned super loyal to Stephen after she was in proper danger and really needed him. I think she was very lucky someone like him was in the turret.

I don’t blame him for not trusting her at all - he watched her tell so many lies without flinching.

The way she manipulated Faraz at the end was just so unpleasant to watch…
Stephen won with integrity and her win was only reliant on his generosity.

I would've absolutely loved it if Faz voted Rachel with Jack. That would’ve been great tv.

And I love Claudia and everything she says but had to not look at her during Uncloacked as her fringe was truly hurting my eyes.

Stephen looked into the eyes of so many of his close friends and lied. You found Rachel turning Faraaz unpleasant but didnt find Stephen lying to Roxy and Jack unpleasant?

Personally I thought Rachel turning Faraaz was brilliant. What should she have done? Just blub and say " I am a Faithful" ten times like Jade?

RipplePlease · 24/01/2026 09:56

@IsThisTheReaLife
Yes, that was my concern about any “selfishness” re the money…the abuse they would have got on social media after the show.

Isekaied · 24/01/2026 09:57

GhostOrchid · 24/01/2026 09:54

Another one who thought Rachel played a brilliant game but didn’t particularly warm to her as person. Whoever said she lacked a fun side had it spot on.

Her styling in the final was very Lady Macbeth (and I thought she looked fantastic) so it felt the production leant into that a bit.

Personally I liked her throughout.

I found her voice calm and soothing.

YouWillNeverGuessMyUsername · 24/01/2026 09:59

BlueLimes · 24/01/2026 09:54

I’m not sure that’s true, if Stephen had taken it all, I think people would have thought that was a terrible thing to do and he would have had a lot of negativity. Rightly so.

Did Harry get that response...?

Nope.