Celeb Traitors #4 - Will the Faithful ever find a Traitor?

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Carrying on the discussion.

They mention on TRIE that Nick’s admission of sabotage is actually the MOST Faithful thing to do. No Traitir would risk that double bluff.

However it is reliant on the other Faithful being smart enough to realise this. As Richard said, Nick is trying to play 4D chess when the others can barely play regular chess!

In May in Scotland, it's barely dark till about midnight! I think the clock striking 12 is not the real time at all.

Well, yes I agree. We can see that a traitor would not have admitted this but will the other faithfuls realise this? If JR gets in before the faithfuls do at the round table, I think he will be successful in getting Nick banished.

Nick is trying to play 4D chess when the others can barely play regular chess!

Chess? I sometimes think they would struggle with Snakes and Ladders!

Jonathan forgot he had a shield too, but I guess since that was fairly early on and there were more people around it's more easily forgotten.

Me too!

For me it’s part of the fun.

I seem to recall Richard Osman saying that he asked the production team about the turret set. I’m pretty sure he said it is in the castle, just not necessarily IN the turret.

They talked about how they have to drive everyone around in the Land Rovers like a game of Find The Lady before the Traitors can go back to film their chats.

I know they have it in their back pocket of course, but have not gone for it yet

He also happily gave a shield away to SF.

JR is hiding in plain sight , but I feel he won’t last much longer.
Alan, not sure really. Even Sir Stephen Fry didn’t guess him last night.

I wonder whether Joe M has actually twigged that it's the second time that someone has forgotten in front of him, and whether it will occur to him that a faithful wouldn't forget that they had a shield?

Alan is more Teflon than Jonatahn Ross though, but hides it with his dotzy, giggly act.

Everyone saying Joe was nasty and aggressive, what a bunch of wimps you all are! It's a game, he's playing it properly unlike the rest of them (bar Nick though why he 'fessed up, God knows) all gazing into each others' eyes and saying, "I'm not a traitor, are you? No, of course not." Team Joe all the way.

i think they’ll murder nick, David banished next. That will leave Lucy, Celia, Kate Joe. Joe murdered then next round table you only have three faithful left. If the three traitors hand up on Kate and convince just one other faithful( probably Celia ) to do so then you have just lucy and Celia left. Murder Lucy and then just one faithful and three traitors.
I think the three traitors could possibly all survive to the end.

I don't personally feel that Stephen Fry is especially astute or that he's the 'genius' they keep calling him. He has a wide vocabulary, is well read and erudite but I don't think he's as clever as Nick, nor does he have that kind of analytical brain.

Yeah, you are right. Its probably been that ive recollected

I also think Claire Balding was far more astute and analytical than Stephen.

I wonder whether those who say Joe was being nasty and aggressive have watched regular Traitors before.

Joe was only moderately combative in my opinion, in comparison with some of the round tables in normal Traitors. See Anthony vs Dianne and others in season 2, and a girl who went out early from the same season whose name I forget!

Completely agree!

Exactly.
I've been trying to work out his logic.
As far as I can see the only impact he could potentially have had, would be on the probability of any one Faithful being murdered. There was no overall Faithful advantage because one was going regardless. He just managed to piss off some people and gained nothing. Whether or not it makes his position as Faithful more certain is debatable.

I think it's because they're always destabilised and undermined by the structure of the show/game. There are new challenges every day, with new rules and physical and other demands and which require teamwork. Then at the same time they have to be on the constant lookout for people slipping up, betraying themselves, and, if they'er a traitor, they have to not reveal themselves or slip up. And they all go to the RT every day knowing they may have to defend themselves. All while maintaining a sociable front.
It's presumably even higher-pressure for the non-celeb ones as they tend to really really need/want the money.

People are actually obsessed by this series. I usually am a bit meh about celeb versions, but this is great.

I'm very old (!) but I could understand the appeal of Joe M. However, after his aggressiveness at the round table and then reading about his bad disciplinary record in rugby, I've gone right off him. I agree with you that the Traitors could agree to vote for the same person and virtually guarantee that a particular Faithful gets banished. The drawback might be that people could notice they seem to be working as a team.

Stephen's faux humility is irritating me.
He's always like that, annoying as hell at times! He's certainly not a dumb man and he is of course educated well but all the simpering about his intelligence is annoying as well.

I think a lot of the faithful have guessed about JR but don't want to put their heads above the parapet and say it!

Me too Stephen's well read and uses flouncey language, but he isn't the genuis that other people seem to think.

I’m a bit surprised at people saying that some of the players are sly, or bullying, or bitchy. This is my first ever experience of the game-but aren’t they supposed to be like that? I mean-surely being sly is essential for being a traitor??