Celeb Traitors #3. The big dogs vs the cat, banshees, farts & what Claudia wore next.

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Carrying on with the love for the two Joes.

A lot of her wardrobe is very expensive but not the brown coat she wore last night. I just ordered it from Zara!

It doesn’t matter that nobody saw Alan touch Paloma - they don’t seem to have considered how she was murdered in plain sight. It’s worthy of a bit of discussion- something tangible rather than so called gut instinct that someone would make a good traitor. I’m not saying they’ll work out it was Alan because they are close pals but discuss possibilities at least eg who was next to her in the task, who was in the car with her etc

Thing is everything is to do with the editing. Things may be discussed but not making the Final Cut.

I suppose that so many have now gone since Paloma , that they can’t think straight. She was the first one to go, they have had the tasks to do and the round table ( which must be longer than we see) so any Paloma chat around her has probably been shelved a bit!

Didn’t Claudia announce (maybe at breakfast?) that there would be a murder in plain sight or have I just completely made that up in my head? 🙈

I love the idea of the traitors deciding which of the two go but I think its unlikely since Claudia stressed it would be by chance.

I thought Joe M’s comment about being surrounded by actors was one of the smarter things he has said. Considering there are so many actors/performers I’m surprised that Fry’s recreation of “loveable old genius” is still so effective at directing discussion.

If I were a traitor I’d be tempted to kill whichever doesn’t go - so they all know there were two faithfuls gone which would create more chaos. That “create chaos” strategy seems to work in this group. However if Mark goes David has a shield.

Considering this group know far more about each other than normal competitors I’m surprised Jonathan is still there. My suspicion would always fall on a known passionate gamer in this set up.

Is Daley with his carefully curated self promoting background the cheapest to pay for extra appearances in uncloaked or just the most relentless self promoter? Surely someone else must be available for the casual spots. I had to laugh a his “successfully sportsman are good at recognising feelings” schtick. Nobody gets to that level of solo sport without being relentlessly self absorbed and focused - its part of the job spec. I don’t find it surprising that he has a brain for things outside of sport. He had a privileged education and did well academically and has capitalised very successfully on his sporting success in a way that driven but less smart athletes don’t.

I think Nick knows it’s Cat and Jonathan but hasn’t figured out Alan yet. Joe M also knows it’s Jonathon as does Celia.
re. Paloma, they don’t seem to have discussed when and how she got poisoned. Alan as her bestie had means and opportunity way more than any other player maybe not motive but even that could be argued both ways.

In all honesty that's why I don't think this programme is for me. You have no idea what is said by the contestants but not broadcast for the audience. It's all a bit pointless really. Like somebody else upthread I expected that there would be more genuine clues for the faithful to work out.

It’s never been a clue based show though. It has always been about the psychology of people - how do people react under pressure; how easily people can lie to each other; the power of group-think, etc.

In some ways it is terrifying - we like to think we’ve moved on from the days of pitchfork wielding villagers trying to flush out a witch from their midst, but the truth is we haven’t.

Very true. Series after series we see people saying they are going off their gut instinct and their instinct is proved wrong. Or they say he laughed too loud, he looked at someone weird - and also the pack mentality, how easily people are swayed. I find it fascinating!!

They're on cameras probably more than 12 hours a day; you can't broadcast what 19 people are talking about 12 hours a day.
It's edited for entertainment, and as @CaveMum said it's not a show with clues, it's about the psychology of suspecting people... why one person but not another, how people follow a leader....

Someone upthread said production gave clues in previous series... I've seen a lot (ex. NZ) and have never seen production get involved like that.

It may be a UK first, but I find it hard to believe that the "elimination decided by chance" situation after two round table vote ties has never happened before in at least one of the many iterations of this show worldwide. I've searched but can't find how it's decided - simply tossing a coin wouldn't live up to the high drama (though the effect is still the same). Does anyone know?

I’m amazed no one has remembered the comment Jonathan made just after the traitors were picked

Surely faithfuls would have all been mentally focused on who the traitors are amongst them. Surely that’s where their brains would be

Yet Jonathan said to Allan in front of people jokingly “see you in the tower’. Why would a faithful even be thinking about going to the tower

That comment alone I think shows he’s a traitor
Im amazed no one has picked up on this.

Backing that up with Jonathan giving away a shield isn’t it obvious and yet again, there’s been no mention of that either

I'd love to see them recruit Stephen Fry

Yes!!

Yet Jonathan said to Allan in front of people jokingly “see you in the tower’. Why would a faithful even be thinking about going to the tower

That was in response to Alan saying something insinuating Jonathan was a traitor IIRC

It’s the kind of thing I’d say, jokingly, if I were a Faithful. There was a traitor on the Irish Traitors who got by for quite a while by saying things like ‘Yeah, I’m totally a traitor, going around murdering to beat the band’.

Just catching up with Uncloaked. Why is Tom Daley on again? Because his irritating smirk keeps being highlighted I will go on record as saying his knitting is terrible. If he was a woman no one would be treating it as anything except extremely amateur. I'm an extremely amateur knitter so, if you like Tom, take this as sour grapes that no one is offering me a contract to put my name to (cheap yarn) over priced kits!

Well to be fair, there really are "witches" in there and the whole point is to find them.

So if you’d have said it I’d have voted you off by now. 🤣🤣

The mood of the first night was jokey, cheerful, excited- everyone took it for the joke it was meant to be. If anything it would've made him seem more a faithful.

Marler should have picked up on Jonathan forgetting he had a Shield though early on - that was definitely traitory.

Wasn't that the first night before they met in the tower, so they didn't know who the other traitors were?

Yes, I think it was

It made me laugh when they were trying to guess what actor Tameka had shared a screen with, and someone said ‘if she’d been with Judy Dench she would have mentioned it, as people always tell everyone when they’ve worked with Judy Dench’. And Celia immediately said ‘I’ve worked with Judy Dench. She was lovely’ (or something)!

On the subject of the flaw of the more strategic faithful bidding their time and keeping their genuine suspicions under wraps until later in the game…

Surely this could be engineered out of future series by creating an incentive for voting out a traitor early (a chunky addition to the prize fund, shields for those who correctly identify a traitor, something like that).