Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Telly addicts

Eurovision 2025 - After Thoughts

413 replies

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2025 01:05

Austria's JJ won with Wasted Love

OP posts:
Thread gallery
19
BreatheAndFocus · 18/05/2025 12:50

WavyRavey · 18/05/2025 09:41

Poland surprised me but I've seen people say online it's political, I know next to nothing about Poland so not sure what that's about, but I thought she was incredible

I might have missed something not being Polish, but it didn’t seem overtly political to me. Looking after the planet is a good thing. You can see the lyrics below (scroll down). I thought it was a very good song:

https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2025/poland

.

Eurovision 2025 Poland: Justyna Steczkowska - "Gaja"

"Gaja" by Justyna Steczkowska from Poland at the Eurovision Song Contest 2025. Poland finished 14th at Eurovision 2025 with 156 points. Videos and lyrics in Polish, English, Arabic, Armenian, Azerbaijani, Catalan, Chinese, Croatian and 29 other languag...

https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2025/poland

housethatbuiltme · 18/05/2025 12:57

It was a poor year in general with many subpar songs.

Moldova (who usually have fun entries) pulled out due to 'artistic difficulties and quality of songs' so that should have been a precursor.

There was zero rock which was terrible, the bands in it couldn't look more bored and wankery if they had tried (although Grahams dig of 'and now we go from the sublime to Portugal' was apt and genius).

There where very little interesting and fun acts and half didn't get through the semis.

I think Poison Cake should have been in the final, how did that get knocked out and yet other shit got through.

The winner is undeniably very talented sing but dear god it was a bit silly, looked like a shit perfume advert. Also it relied heavily on camera movement to get the effect and the black and white for 'mood', so to people in the audience they will have just seen a technocolour twat wobbling about on a stationary boat which I bet looked incredibly awkward lol.

I think Luxembourg, UK and Malta where hard done by (I'm not patriotic at all but its the best entry I have seen from us in my lifetime, didn't expect to win but it was a perfectly fine entry so nil points was ridiculous).

Highlight was the Baby Lasagna and Kaarija mash up, 2 of the best of recent times... a surprising great interval given how dull they are (and way better than the predicted Celine Dion) but I kind of wish they just did their two iconic songs not the odd 'dab' song at the end (is dabbing even still in fashion with the kids?).

Raahh · 18/05/2025 13:00

Well, they still love the San Marino track in Rome- played loud again at the end of women's doubles final.

Always get the crowd going.

I don't always think Eurovision juries/audiences are representative of things that people out in the wild are actually listening to.

JaneJeffer · 18/05/2025 13:01

There’s a video clip somewhere (which I have lost) of Lucio Corsi rummaging in his puffy sleeves and taking out a packet of pombears Bear Grin

housethatbuiltme · 18/05/2025 13:02

Troubledwords · 18/05/2025 11:08

I thought Nemo's second performance was a great audition for Frank in Rocky Horror.

My husband said that... my brain for some reason went to less obvious 'Hedwig and the angry inch' although I suppose similar-ish vibes.

Raahh · 18/05/2025 13:02

JaneJeffer · 18/05/2025 13:01

There’s a video clip somewhere (which I have lost) of Lucio Corsi rummaging in his puffy sleeves and taking out a packet of pombears Bear Grin

That is brilliant Grin

PlumpHobbit · 18/05/2025 13:02

Didn't watch the semi finals etc just the final, but listened to the Ireland entry, what a banger! One id probably add to a playlist

StarryGazeyEyes · 18/05/2025 13:03

I wasn't the only one was I?

Eurovision 2025 - After Thoughts
SwedishEdith · 18/05/2025 13:05

LIZS · 18/05/2025 10:47

Musically UK entry was fine, if you listen to the Band of Guards playing it outside Buckingham Palace yesterday it sounds very Eurovision. However the concept, lyrics (what was it even about?)and staging let it down, and it was outclassed by more gimmicky and socially aware acts. JJ deserved the win. I’m not sure why we consistently miss the mark to get a public vote.

The UK's song wasn't instant. I thought it was dreadful the first time I heard it, didn't bother listening to it again until last night. Their performance and singing was solid. They couldn't have done any better. But the song was a mess. It can't be assumed that viewers will put the hours in to listen to the songs more than once. Sam Ryder's was an instant song that made me want to listen to it again. I still delude myself that he/we did really win that year.

mnahmnah · 18/05/2025 13:06

BreatheAndFocus · 18/05/2025 12:50

I might have missed something not being Polish, but it didn’t seem overtly political to me. Looking after the planet is a good thing. You can see the lyrics below (scroll down). I thought it was a very good song:

https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2025/poland

.

I think it may be because there have been issues in Poland toward the Ukrainian refugees there?

Crikeyalmighty · 18/05/2025 13:08

I work in music and thought most of it was dreadful - ballads that sounded like they had come from 1968 or overly camp screechy cod operatics - very little stood out - thought the winning song was truly awful , if you can remember and sing it , I certainly can’t - UK - hmmm , not amazing but the girls can sing and it’s reasonably catchy in a 1995 spice girls kind of way - there were way way worse than this that placed much higher. UK audience clearly haven’t got much taste either, I wouldn’t vote for Israel on principle but that was a boring dirgy ballad too - completely unmemorable -

JaneJeffer · 18/05/2025 13:08

Ireland needs to do Báidín Fheilimí next year.

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2025 13:09

Zonder · 18/05/2025 08:59

There was an interesting post on the previous thread which said that UK do badly because we don't play the game, and the reason Sam Ryder did do well is because he did play the game.

Apparently there are various ways to get exposure all around Europe in the run up to the ESC and if you don't do those you won't be as popular or known and won't get the votes.

But Remember Monday DID play the game. They've been touring around promoting it. There's a really good interview with them by Graham Norton on iPlayer where they say just how many places they've been and how their musical theatre experience has been invaluable because they were used to doing so many shows back to back and that's what it was like promoting the song.

They had taken the tact of trying to be 'out there' and stand out with an arrangement which was odd in order to a crowd of people who all were trying to stand out. It's written in a major key rather than minor - a major key song hasn't won in 20 years. (Sam Ryder was also major key). I would argue that in some respects they DID get it right because it did work relatively well with the jury and that's where we've failed a lot in recent years. We got the most number of points we've had in 12 years bar Sam Ryder. It's just that the votes were much more spread out between countries this year.

Even within our house we gave points to 23 countries this year, whereas it was a dozen last year. It's just that our weird arrangement and shit lyrics for our entry just didn't gel with the fans. I personally LIKE the jury/public system because of this. It means you are rewarded for pushing the musical boundaries - you have to be bothered popular with the public AND have musical talent to win really.

The image in this post is the number of individual jurors (not the entire panel) who ranked each country 12 points. This breakdown is actually not that far off the public vote positions, which is interesting to see. The obvious exception being you know who. It's just that the jurors votes are collectivised. This actually makes it fairer and more evenly spread in the final score - the public will tend to only vote for one country rather than the ten the jury does. If we went public vote only for the final, it'd be even more brutal and I think it would harm the contest over all. The public get to eliminate in the semis anyway so the winner will always effectively be a 'public choices' rather than dictated by the jury as a result of that (the semis are now public vote only).

Every year we have the same debate over political voting. And yet we do have different winners every year. And we know when our song is shit. I don't get this mentality of expecting other countries to vote for our song when we know it's not as good as other entries! We wouldn't give 12 points for our own song even if we could if we were judging on the song! We just don't want to admit this.

Re Israel:
It’s such a shame that this has made Eurovision uncomfortable
This sums it up in a nutshell for me and why I didn't want to go again this year, after last. It was uncomfortable

Genuinely the crowd in the venue last year were there for the song contest. I do not see it being different this year. We did it on the cheap but a lot of people spend a fortune on the premium shows and go to multiple shows. There was indifference to Israel being there for the majority last year. It was a really small minority booing, but that minority were loud and really ruined it and it was deeply uncomfortable. There were also about the same number of people who were cheering and clapping.

Most people say there just not knowing what the hell they should do. It was four minutes of sheer awkwardness and an appalling atmosphere. In the run up to the show there had been protests around Malmö and there were Palestine flags everywhere. Again the atmosphere in the city was tense as a result and the city organiser didn't have a clue how to handle it. We came across a number of situations in the two days we were there which we didn't like and lack of information in English did not help the situation.

Keep in mind we had booked flights and hotels in early November so were committed that early not really understanding how events would play out - and most people who went would have done similar (otherwise they wouldn't have a hotel room). Most there were complete neutrals on the subject - they aren't 'leftie extremists' in the stereotype that has been pushed.

So people saying that comments about Israel and not being happy about Israel being in the competition are 'anti Jewish' just don't have a clue.

It's the fact it's dominating the contest just so much and affecting the artists willing to take part in the contest. The organisation of getting people to vote for Israel who don't even want to watch the show is also gaulling. I don't mind them getting points, it's just that the points they are getting are not reflective of the performance because of this. And it's becoming frustrating and putting the entire future of the contest at risk.

Had Israel won it would have caused so many issues. The UK government advice is against all travel to Israel at present. (I have double checked that this morning). Most airlines in Europe are no longer flying to Israel ATM either. That would have raised so logistical questions straight from the start. If they had said it was too dangerous to hold it there like Ukraine (which I can't see the Israelis agreeing with anyway) you still would have the prospect of getting another country to host it on behalf of Israel. I'm not sure there are too many countries that politically could do that. Not even the UK. The Spanish broadcaster put an screen up about Palestine during their show, so I would question whether they would enter next year in these circumstances - remember Spain is one of the Big 5 so this really matters.

I don't think a lot of people realise these issues. The lost of one of the big five would be catastrophic. If you can't get the fans there from around the world then you lose a lot of the magic of the contest. And you lose a huge amount of revenue for the host city from visitors and you have issues over the lost of revenue from ticket sales.

The EBU already is facing challenges over the cost of the contest. Many of the eastern European countries who have withdrawn from the contest have done so because it's becoming so expensive to send an act - there's the entry fee and the cost of the hotels alone, never mind the cost of the staging. Romania self funded himself last year I believe and went out at the semi. He had very simple staging and it showed against others. I think there's a question mark about Czechia now because they sent an established artist who was one of the best known and had high hopes for him and he didn't get through to the semi. The talk is they won't enter next year as a result.

So comments about Graham Norton sounding 'anti Israel' or moderate indifferent neutral Eurovision diehards being 'anti Semitic' blah blah blah need to be seen through the lens of understanding the impact Israel winning would have on the contest they really really love. The context really matters.

The abuse I got personally last night on MN was appalling. I had deliberately avoided the subject all night until the results.

I really didn't like the Austrian entry. It's curious it didn't get a single 12 points from the public. That's really unusual for a winner. It's technically great though so I also can't argue with it being the winner even though I don't personally like it.

I'm sure Austria will do a good job next year. I sincerely hope we aren't revisiting the same subjects after the show AGAIN next year though.

364* days to go...
(I know it's held on different days/weekends).

Eurovision 2025 - After Thoughts
OP posts:
Crikeyalmighty · 18/05/2025 13:11

@housethatbuiltme my lovely friend wrote poison cake - it was a way better song than many in the top 3 !! Thank you for picking up on it - !!

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 18/05/2025 13:12

StarryGazeyEyes · 18/05/2025 13:03

I wasn't the only one was I?

This is EXACTLY what I said.

Ok, what I said was, "Take the little sail down, light the little light, this is the way to win Eurovision in the night".

(Takes a bow)

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2025 13:15

Oh and I was going to comment on the overly sexualised songs.

The last two years the songs that have done this:
Spain and UK last year
Malta and Finland this year

Have actually really suffered when it's come to the public vote I feel. This is going to start being taken onboard by the individual countries in their song and staging choices in the next couple of years as it's becoming obvious you simply can't win with that formula.

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 18/05/2025 13:16

Crikeyalmighty · 18/05/2025 13:11

@housethatbuiltme my lovely friend wrote poison cake - it was a way better song than many in the top 3 !! Thank you for picking up on it - !!

I was stunned seeing poison cake was written by someone from Dorset!!

OP posts:
footpath · 18/05/2025 13:17

I thought it was weak in general, no stand out songs for me.

EurovisionFanGirl · 18/05/2025 13:20

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2025 13:15

Oh and I was going to comment on the overly sexualised songs.

The last two years the songs that have done this:
Spain and UK last year
Malta and Finland this year

Have actually really suffered when it's come to the public vote I feel. This is going to start being taken onboard by the individual countries in their song and staging choices in the next couple of years as it's becoming obvious you simply can't win with that formula.

Definitely agree with this. Australia didn’t even qualify despite the catchy tune. I actually loved Finland personally but it didn’t do as well as I expected. Malta just went too far with the staging and bombed with the public vote.

Raahh · 18/05/2025 13:23

Well said, RedToothBrush. Hope you are ok today.

It was not my favourite year, not as many songs have 'stuck' this year as in previous years. But it was still fun til I was too drunk to stay awake.

But it won't stop me coming back. And I will be keeping my eyes peeled/ears open for news on all the countries entries as the year unfolds.

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2025 13:25

Raahh · 18/05/2025 13:23

Well said, RedToothBrush. Hope you are ok today.

It was not my favourite year, not as many songs have 'stuck' this year as in previous years. But it was still fun til I was too drunk to stay awake.

But it won't stop me coming back. And I will be keeping my eyes peeled/ears open for news on all the countries entries as the year unfolds.

I'm fine. I've been here long enough.

OP posts:
Raahh · 18/05/2025 13:25

And I agree with the staging/ over sexualised songs. When Olly was announced as our entry for last year it felt like a slam dunk. But the song didn't quite hit the mark (sounded ok on the radio) - and the performance felt like self- sabotage.

Raahh · 18/05/2025 13:26

RedToothBrush · 18/05/2025 13:25

I'm fine. I've been here long enough.

I know! Same every year really, isn't it?

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 18/05/2025 13:26

Every year we have the same debate over political voting. And yet we do have different winners every year.

And the winner, Ukraine x 2 excepted, is never a "political" winner.

Austria, Sweden, UK as 2nd, Italy, Netherlands, Israel (pre war)... Etc.

Some posters were triumphant about the Israel vote showing that pro-Palestinian feeling isn't that strong. I don't think it works that way - those who were serious about it didn't watch and didn't vote. Unless a country put up a Palestinian singer with the song "please don't kill our babies", it would be hard to judge the exact effect - and I definitely don't want to see that happen.

The UK have had some notable failures over the past twenty years, but they're far from alone. Germany and Spain also send a fair degree of stinkers, and we've had Jade Ewen, Blue and Sam Ryder perform in the top 12, and a few more in the top 15.

If you look at the absolute gack we send otherwise, our results aren't surprising.

BurntBroccoli · 18/05/2025 13:31

SwedishEdith · 18/05/2025 13:05

The UK's song wasn't instant. I thought it was dreadful the first time I heard it, didn't bother listening to it again until last night. Their performance and singing was solid. They couldn't have done any better. But the song was a mess. It can't be assumed that viewers will put the hours in to listen to the songs more than once. Sam Ryder's was an instant song that made me want to listen to it again. I still delude myself that he/we did really win that year.

I think this is the key - it needs to be instantly likeable with a good memorable hook.

Swipe left for the next trending thread