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Eurovision 2025 - After Thoughts

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2025 01:05

Austria's JJ won with Wasted Love

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SheilaFentiman · 22/05/2025 14:42

I don't really agree with opening the voting before the songs are all sung, it indicates that the EBC doesn't really expect the audience to vote on the performances!

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 22/05/2025 14:45

SheilaFentiman · 22/05/2025 14:42

I don't really agree with opening the voting before the songs are all sung, it indicates that the EBC doesn't really expect the audience to vote on the performances!

I suppose, nowadays, it's not a surprise what the songs are, like it used to be, as everybody who wanted to has heard them all online for months.

SheilaFentiman · 22/05/2025 14:53

I know, but one of these days, a performer will win even though they fell off their flying disco penis microphone :>

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 22/05/2025 15:40

SheilaFentiman · 22/05/2025 14:53

I know, but one of these days, a performer will win even though they fell off their flying disco penis microphone :>

Yes, or go rogue and start an Occupy The Stage protest and refuse to leave after their performance; or do a Margarita Pracatan with the singing and then moon the audience after an extended period of heavy refreshment before the show!

BreatheAndFocus · 22/05/2025 15:42

Choux · 22/05/2025 02:46

From this article Belgium seem to have strong evidence that not all those voting can have watched the show: “Belgium’s broadcaster VRT provided data to community news site Songfestival.be which also appeared to show a disparity between numbers of viewers and voters. Their statistics indicated that the number of votes cast from Belgium had increased from 1.3m in 2023, to 2m in 2024 and then 2.2m in 2025. However, the show had only about half as many viewers in 2025 as in 2023, as Belgium did not make the final.”

Israeli government social media channels have been encouraging people to vote for its representative the maximum 20 times permitted. The Israeli embassy in London posted to social media during the final, encouraging people to vote 20 times for Raphael.”

“The Israeli marketing appears to encourage people to submit multiple votes without even having listened to the song or watched the show. This is not currently against Eurovision’s rules.”

it may not be against the rules but it’s hardly what the televote is designed for. And it very nearly gave the ESC a massive loss of credibility by Israel winning. And that would also have been a massive security headache for next year.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/may/21/eurovision-public-vote-israeli-near-win-social-media-campaigns

I chose one of the countries I was going to vote for before I watched the final. Shock horror, eh! But nobody paid me to choose that country and nobody involved me in any conspiracy - I simply watched and listened to the songs on the Eurovision website. If I’d wanted to, I could also have bought the CD and listened to them all.

So, the fact people voted who didn’t watch the show is hardly evidence of high dudgeon. The country I chose wasn’t Israel BTW, but it could have been. I choose songs I like and would never vote for crap just because it was from a country I like. I hardly think I’m alone in that.

With all the publicity about the Israeli singer’s struggles, people will have been interested to see her and to hear the song. I also listened to the Sweden song online because I’d read about it and how it was tipped to be a winner. People can access the songs online before the final and online during the final. They do NOT have to watch the show to hear them.

In addition, I always find certain songs are pushed, either because of the artiste or because they’re spectacularly bizarre or tipped to win. There are numerous articles about them, and on the continent they play other countries songs on the radio sometimes because friends have said they’ve heard X song.

If the Israel song was utter rubbish, I could understand the suspicion, but it’s not. In fact, it’s very much of a type - that anthemic, simple melody, happy/hopeful lyrics that are popular at Eurovision. It’s hardly beyond the realms of possibility that many people voted for the song because they liked it.

SchoolIssues25 · 24/05/2025 07:51

I actually loved the Ukrainan entry and the wiggly leg man from Estonia.

sandgreen · 24/05/2025 09:36

Ukraine has been a real grower - wasn’t so sure on the night, but have been returning to them all week. It’s a lovely song. They’ve almost always been among my favourites in recent years.

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 24/05/2025 10:13

SchoolIssues25 · 24/05/2025 07:51

I actually loved the Ukrainan entry and the wiggly leg man from Estonia.

The Estonian guy just left me with this much, much older song stuck in my head all throughout - instead of being able to focus on his own song!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxd5J16_e50&pp=ygUSd2liYmx5IHdvYmJseSB3YWxr

LittleLlama · 24/05/2025 15:22

Looks like the EBU are going to review the voting system, it will be interesting to see if any changes are made.

https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/open-letter-esc-community-martin-green-cbe

ScribblingPixie · 24/05/2025 17:01

I was listening to the Italian entry today and thinking that could have been our entry - classic pop rock, which we do better than anywhere in Europe. He even channeled David Bowie right down to the Bowie/Ronson moment at the mic.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 24/05/2025 18:19

Why ARE we so bad at picking entries? Back when it was a public vote, I never agreed with the public and thought it'd be better when it was put in "expert" hands. But they just don't seem to get it. Maybe we need a bigger selection contest like many other countries... but would our voters take it seriously?

SwedishEdith · 24/05/2025 18:39

ScribblingPixie · 24/05/2025 17:01

I was listening to the Italian entry today and thinking that could have been our entry - classic pop rock, which we do better than anywhere in Europe. He even channeled David Bowie right down to the Bowie/Ronson moment at the mic.

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Weirdly, I was also listening to it today. I think lots picked up on the Bowie/Ronson thing on the night.

It still didn't win though. I can't remember but I think it did a lot worse than predicted so even if it had been our entry, we'd still be here lamenting 😀

Male solo singers with earnest songs in high pitched voices seem to be in vogue atm. I'd include Sam Ryder in that. I don't think we could persuade a known artist to do it again but they could write the song. I was watching Tom Grennan on TV last night. Would never usually be my cup of tea but someone like that getting involved, may be useful.

BreatheAndFocus · 24/05/2025 23:15

Italy was 5th so not too bad, and way above the U.K.

I think the problem in the U.K. song choices recently has been a little bit of arrogance, thinking that continental Europe is somehow backward in music, so we can send something trite/boring/silly/lift musicy and that will be good enough.

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