Page 38 | The Traitors #9 - 'why am I still here?'

witchycat2 · 2025-01-23T08:31:29+00:00

Just two episodes to go until we find out who will be victorious - the traitors or the faithfuls. Will Alexander save the faithfuls? Will Charlotte lead Freddie like a lamb to the slaughter? Who will feel Leanne's wrath tonight? Will Frankie cry at the banishment? Not long until we find out!

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witchycat2 · 23/01/2025 23:43

viques · 23/01/2025 23:35

Off to bed, and if I wake up screaming it will be because of those zombie clowns, thanks a bunch Claudia.

There have been a few creepy things this series. Clowns, dolls, moving traitor chess figure thing

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TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 23/01/2025 23:48

CaveMum · 23/01/2025 23:16

Re next thread title, on the basis that it will probably be the last one (unless we get carried away tomorrow night!), surely it has to include MN favourite Alexander in some way?

Like a pony!

Jumanji89 · 23/01/2025 23:48

The only sensible play is to banish both Frankie and Charlotte

Choccyscofffy · 23/01/2025 23:50

Bouledeneige · 23/01/2025 23:19

I'm sure in previous years the players were more analytical about the changing voting tactics of other players to build evidence/theories rather than relying on vibes and 'why am I still here?' And 'it has to be a man'. All totally random.

So as there's no more round tables or banishments except in the end game it's just Frankie's word against Charlotte's. Hopefully Frankie's testament will be seen alongside the fact that Freddie voted for Charlotte - the one clue he left. I hope they pick that up.

(Still I hoped they'd spot the writing on the picture in the car for the death match and the 'strong woman' clues.....)

Yes, the ‘there has to be a man’ from Jake (and Freddie too to a lesser extent) was so annoying, as if a man is needed to steer the traitors.

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witchycat2 · 23/01/2025 23:50

Jumanji89 · 23/01/2025 23:48

The only sensible play is to banish both Frankie and Charlotte

Unfortunately yes. The new rule about the final has sealed Frankie's fate.

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witchycat2 · 23/01/2025 23:51

Yes, the ‘there has to be a man’ from Jake (and Freddie too to a lesser extent) was so annoying, as if a man is needed to steer the traitors.

I think it's more that they thought Claudia's original traitors would have included a mix of men and women (it's never just been one sex before)

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witchycat2 · 23/01/2025 23:53

Can we SEER way for Charlotte to win this?

The Traitors #10 SEER you all at the finale #TeamAlexander www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/5259303-the-traitors-10-seer-you-all-at-the-finale-teamalexander

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ninja · 23/01/2025 23:54

I know some of you questioned the choice of Charlotte and if she'd been steered. I wonder whether Frankie was talked through/discussed the pros and cons of choosing a faithful/traitor.

At first glance you think it'd be better to know the identity of a traitor - but we can see now what a liability that could be and so choosing someone 'trustworthy' to team up with would at least give you some security in numbers.

She does need to decide when to reveal it as well and to who. If she doesn't announce it Charlotte can't push back against it ...

samarrange · 23/01/2025 23:57

Can someone explain something to me?

I thought that there had to be a murder at the end of episode 10. That is, the traitors had to pick someone to murder.

So on that basis, everyone ought to have know on the morning of episode 11 that Leanne was a faithful once she showed that she had the shield. Because if she had been a traitor and won the shield, she — and any other traitors — would have had to choose a faithful to murder, and that person would not then have been at breakfast. But everyone was at breakfast. Therefore, Leanne cannot have been a traitor.

I was surprised that Alexander didn't point that out as he's quite smart. In fact he seemed to think it pointed to Leanne's guilt somehow.

What am I missing? Was it not in fact necessary that someone got murdered at the end of episode 10? Did Claudia or anyone else give an indication that murder was optional for the traitors?

Satsunday · 24/01/2025 00:00

Sorry if already mentioned but did anyone notice the editing at yesterday's round table where one minute Frankie was wearing her scarves/shawl and then the next not. Then she was ahain etc. I know it's all edited to look a certain way but it happened several times and I couldn't work out why they'd have done that. I guess they were just altering the order of the discussions for some reason? If anyone has time to have a look, let me know what you think! Again sorry if already mentioned, I've been following the thread but may have missed stuff.

Anyway, am also absolutely addicted to the whole show and can't wait for tomorrow. Will feel lost when it's finished 🤣

Phthia · 24/01/2025 00:00

User14March · 23/01/2025 21:45

Say that C knew about shield, Freddie!

They all knew that anyway.

happinessischocolate · 24/01/2025 00:02

She does need to decide when to reveal it as well and to who. If she doesn't announce it Charlotte can't push back against it ...

Meanwhile Charlottes told them all that Frankie is the traitor.

I think Frankie is going to be so shocked that it's going to be obvious to the rest that she's found out Charlottes the traitor - assuming they go straight back to the bar afterwards and it's not left until the morning

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 24/01/2025 00:02

samarrange · 23/01/2025 23:57

Can someone explain something to me?

I thought that there had to be a murder at the end of episode 10. That is, the traitors had to pick someone to murder.

So on that basis, everyone ought to have know on the morning of episode 11 that Leanne was a faithful once she showed that she had the shield. Because if she had been a traitor and won the shield, she — and any other traitors — would have had to choose a faithful to murder, and that person would not then have been at breakfast. But everyone was at breakfast. Therefore, Leanne cannot have been a traitor.

I was surprised that Alexander didn't point that out as he's quite smart. In fact he seemed to think it pointed to Leanne's guilt somehow.

What am I missing? Was it not in fact necessary that someone got murdered at the end of episode 10? Did Claudia or anyone else give an indication that murder was optional for the traitors?

I thought that too, but I think his logic was that Leanne and Minah were traitors. Therefore Leanne had the option to recruit that night rather than murder. She decided to recruit and then claim that there had been an attempted murder.

TellingBone · 24/01/2025 00:05

samarrange · 23/01/2025 23:57

Can someone explain something to me?

I thought that there had to be a murder at the end of episode 10. That is, the traitors had to pick someone to murder.

So on that basis, everyone ought to have know on the morning of episode 11 that Leanne was a faithful once she showed that she had the shield. Because if she had been a traitor and won the shield, she — and any other traitors — would have had to choose a faithful to murder, and that person would not then have been at breakfast. But everyone was at breakfast. Therefore, Leanne cannot have been a traitor.

I was surprised that Alexander didn't point that out as he's quite smart. In fact he seemed to think it pointed to Leanne's guilt somehow.

What am I missing? Was it not in fact necessary that someone got murdered at the end of episode 10? Did Claudia or anyone else give an indication that murder was optional for the traitors?

I see your point. The only way it can work is if the faithful are aware that the traitor/s have to murder. I don't know if that's the case.

Choccyscofffy · 24/01/2025 00:05

samarrange · 23/01/2025 23:57

Can someone explain something to me?

I thought that there had to be a murder at the end of episode 10. That is, the traitors had to pick someone to murder.

So on that basis, everyone ought to have know on the morning of episode 11 that Leanne was a faithful once she showed that she had the shield. Because if she had been a traitor and won the shield, she — and any other traitors — would have had to choose a faithful to murder, and that person would not then have been at breakfast. But everyone was at breakfast. Therefore, Leanne cannot have been a traitor.

I was surprised that Alexander didn't point that out as he's quite smart. In fact he seemed to think it pointed to Leanne's guilt somehow.

What am I missing? Was it not in fact necessary that someone got murdered at the end of episode 10? Did Claudia or anyone else give an indication that murder was optional for the traitors?

I don’t think there necessarily to be a murder. I think the contestants expect the producers to change things to try and stop it being predictable.

xsquared · 24/01/2025 00:08

Frankie has never come off as particularly influential or strategic before, so she will have a tough job trying to convince the others, apart from Alexander, that Charlotte is a traitor.

That said, I think Charlotte has given herself away a few times just with her body language.

The eye roll when Freddie brought up her name at the round table, and looking away from him and cupping her cheek with her hand, the smirk when the others catch Freddie's lie about knowing Leanne's shield all before he got banished.

The "that's all of them gone" after Freddie's banishment, and her getting all animated and forcing a grin to hide her panic.

I'm sure she will fight tooth and nail to get Francesca banished, but I am so glad that one person knows for certain that Charlotte is a traitor. I didn't like Charlotte from the start and for some reason, I found her even more irritating in this episode, so I'm looking forward to watch her squirm, even if she does manage to win. The others would be really dumb not to vote Charlotte out at this stage.

Sadly, a Jake and Leanne win will be a bit of an anticlimax for me. It will be like Hannah, Aaron and Meryl all over again.

healthybychristmas · 24/01/2025 00:11

I don't think the faithful are allowed to produce any evidence e.g. a letter saying they were going to be murdered, are they? I know they can produce a shield and I don't know why Leanne didn't do that.

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 24/01/2025 00:12

It’s just going to be ‘he said, she said’ though.

Each will say ‘I’m 100% faithful and I’m telling you she’s a traitor.

I loved when Alexander said ‘I’m faithful but I would say that either way.’ Some people just couldn’t cope with his lack of hysteria.

Phthia · 24/01/2025 00:18

Unfortunately I think there's no way Alexander isn't banished, they're all too suspicious of him.

Not sure about that. `He will presumably be supporting Frankie from now on, and they only need one more person on their side to form the majority and vote Charlotte out. My personal hope is that that leaves Leanne, and they vote her out not because they think she's a traitor but because she's so annoying.

What would be fun would be if they had a game whereby two "randomly" chosen people have to tell the others what they've been keeping quiet about, and those two just happened to be Leanne and Charlotte.

Phthia · 24/01/2025 00:20

healthybychristmas · 24/01/2025 00:11

I don't think the faithful are allowed to produce any evidence e.g. a letter saying they were going to be murdered, are they? I know they can produce a shield and I don't know why Leanne didn't do that.

Perhaps she had to give it back?

SomethingUniqueThisTime · 24/01/2025 00:21

Leanne did show the shield at breakfast!

weirdoboelady · 24/01/2025 00:58

hholiday · 23/01/2025 18:36

Here’s an archive link to the Telegraph write up if anyone fancies a read. It talks about the importance of Charlotte keeping Frankie in if she’s going to win: archive.ph/j9x7n

That aged well.

JandamiHash · 24/01/2025 01:07

Does anyone else think Claudia has the horn for Alexander (she’s only human)

I think Claudia is an absolute underrated national treasure who, along with Alexander Armstrong and Graham Norton, should be protected at all costs, forever

EconomyClassRockstar · 24/01/2025 01:29

I'm late to the thread but I will be so cranky if Leann wins. It feels a bit of a fix in her favor at this point.

L0bstersLass · 24/01/2025 01:44

Charlotte is stuffed now isn't she.
If the others consider that Frankie is a traitor then she would know the status of the other players and the only reason for picking Charlotte would be to tell the others that Charlotte is a traitor so that Frankie can win all the cash.

If they then consider that Frankie is a faithful, and she comes out and announces that Charlotte is a traitor then they should believe her.

Frankie's biggest risk now is that the faithful consider the first position I outlined and start to suspect her. She needs to have a logical reason for having picked Charlotte - such as Freddie wrote her name down.