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Wolf Hall - The Mirror and the Light

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virgocatlover · 31/10/2024 11:08

Series 2 is confirmed to start Sunday 10th November.

Almost 10 years after the first series, I'm excited to see the third and final novel brought to life.

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3kidsaremorethanenough · 16/12/2024 18:55

virgocatlover · 16/12/2024 17:52

It took me a long time to realise Wriothesley is Dudley Dursley!

😲😲😲😲By the mass, your right

3kidsaremorethanenough · 16/12/2024 18:57

MarkWithaC · 16/12/2024 17:51

James Norton and Juliet Stevenson! 😍

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Brilliant, is it BBC?

Onlythistime · 16/12/2024 18:57

duc748 · 16/12/2024 18:48

What I can never get my head round is, in what, if any, sense, can these people be regarded as Christian? Can you be a Christian, and claim to follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, and still go along with beheading people, burning them at the stake (and, indeed, stretching them on the rack!). Not to mention accumulating vast amounts of personal wealth. Cos, after all, it is harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle... Did Henry, and indeed Cromwell, all of them, the bloody Cardinals too, really think they were going to Heaven when they died, after the lives they'd led? And that's before I even start on the Divine Right of Kings...

That's religion for you!

duc748 · 16/12/2024 18:59

They were all terrible people. But then, the rich and powerful usually are. After all, that's how they got to be rich and powerful in the first place.

duc748 · 16/12/2024 19:01

Norfolk banging on about 'noble blood' last night really got my inner Wat Tyler going, I can tell you! 😄

CaveMum · 16/12/2024 19:27

The Divine Right of Kings, ain’t it. They genuinely thought they were chosen by God and therefore infallible.

We struggle to get our heads around just how devout people were back then. Their belief was utterly genuine and in believing that the King ruled by divine right meant that to question him was to question God.

It’s another reason why I believe Katherine of Aragon was truthful when she said her marriage with Arthur was not consummated - to her, lying would mean damning her soul to eternal torment so why on earth would she do that?

JustAMiddleAgedDirtBagBaby · 16/12/2024 19:35

Tom Holland is really good on this - it's so hard for us to imagine as we see religion/faith as a personal decision whereas they simply didn't. Things were beginning to change around Luther/Cromwell's time with the reformation, but it wasn't really even a matter of 'belief' as we understand it for most people any more than we 'believe' that we need air to breathe. It just was.

readingmakesmehappy · 16/12/2024 19:35

I thought Damian Lewis was so excellent as Henry. The gradual deterioration of his health and growing moral decrepitude captured so well, along with the essential loneliness of being king and having no peers and no real friends

mizu · 16/12/2024 19:56

@Cynic17 I'm in the middle of that scene and it is fantastic. Indeed, how is it so good?

The whole series has been so, so watchable. I've watched each episode twice......and put off watching the last episode until tonight as I don't want it to finish.

In each scene when someone pauses, it could be a picture straight out of the 1500s, maybe it's the light?

Onlythistime · 16/12/2024 20:32

In each scene when someone pauses, it could be a picture straight out of the 1500s, maybe it's the light?

Perfectly put, yes the light, just sublime

piscofrisco · 16/12/2024 20:52

I can't bring myself to watch the last one Confused

Bimblesalong · 16/12/2024 21:29

@piscofrisco it is sublime. Absolutely sublime. I’m going to watch s2 again & will probably start again with s1 for the nth time! It’s not gory at the end, be assured but intensely good tv (and VVN 😉).

NonPlayerCharacter · 16/12/2024 21:35

piscofrisco · 16/12/2024 20:52

I can't bring myself to watch the last one Confused

They've done it very well...it's very moving but there isn't the raw horror of Anne's execution scene. It's still deeply sad, of course, but it's a much easier watch than I was expecting and certainly easier than reading the final scene in the book, beautifully written as it was.

MarkWithaC · 16/12/2024 21:42

3kidsaremorethanenough · 16/12/2024 18:57

Brilliant, is it BBC?

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I think so , yes.

Piggywaspushed · 16/12/2024 21:51

Just finished watching. I was watching through my hands but relieved the ending was done as it was.

Am I misremembering all the stuff about his dead wife and children throughout the books?

SwedishEdith · 16/12/2024 21:56

mizu · 16/12/2024 19:56

@Cynic17 I'm in the middle of that scene and it is fantastic. Indeed, how is it so good?

The whole series has been so, so watchable. I've watched each episode twice......and put off watching the last episode until tonight as I don't want it to finish.

In each scene when someone pauses, it could be a picture straight out of the 1500s, maybe it's the light?

Yes. That's why I could never understand how someone on this or the other WH thread thought it looked "cheap" 😲 Whaaat?

BestIsWest · 16/12/2024 22:12

virgocatlover · 16/12/2024 17:52

It took me a long time to realise Wriothesley is Dudley Dursley!

I didn’t realise until I read this!

CaveMum · 16/12/2024 22:40

As a podcast nerd I thought I’d go and dig these old episodes out to share! I don’t remember them as they’re a few years old but will be giving them another listen.

I’ll do separate posts do the links load properly.

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https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-snows-history-hit/id1042631089?i=1000530238794

The Real Thomas Cromwell

The Real Thomas Cromwell

Podcast Episode · Dan Snow's History Hit · 28/07/2021 · 24m

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-snows-history-hit/id1042631089?i=1000530238794

Taytocrisps · 16/12/2024 23:13

I watched it last night but fell asleep about 20 minutes into it (that's no reflection on the programme - I had an early start yesterday morning).

Just watched it now. I'm sorry it's over - I'd like to keep watching.

I must look up some books about this period. But not Hilary Mantel.

Londonmummy66 · 16/12/2024 23:33

virgocatlover · 16/12/2024 17:49

Gardiner is another person who was lucky to escape being executed. He was arrested and put in the tower during Edward's reign, but luckily for him, Mary then came into power and he served as Lord Chancellor.

Rafe was one of the people sent to arrest him....