Celebrity Big Brother thread 4

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Started a new thread for my fellow CBBers

Alcohol definitely made her braver to speak out and I agree it probably wasn't the best time to raise it but we've probably all been there feeling more confident after a few glasses of wine (well, I have anyway). She may well have regretted it the next day but so will he probably regret not just apologising for hurting her feelings to shut it down.

I've definitely brooded on things then blurted it all out after a few wines I'm not gonna lie !!

I've found this series incredibly frustrating as the "boys" are so cliquey but dull. Fern has the potential to be a good housemate, I was looking forward to hearing more about her career and experiences (and living in hope of some dirt being dished up if I'm honest!) but she has been totally ignored and overlooked as middle-aged women are in real life.
I think Louis should win but still prefer Fern to the boring boys.

Agree with this and, as someone of a similar age to Fern, understand totally what she was trying to say but Nikita either didn't understand or chose to ignore and talk over without making an effort to understand

I've never been keen on Fern, but had forgotten why, as I've not seen her on TV for so long. I was open minded when she entered the house and over looked a lot of her snide comments as they were generally directed at Ekin-Su, who I'm not keen on at all.

I've come to realise I must have been right all those years ago, assume it must have been from watching her on This Morning, which I used to watch a lot back then. I find her quite calculating and conniving and often it's not what she says, it's her tone and the little smirk or eyebrow raise after.

I couldn't stand Louie at first, thought he was a rude little man, with a massive ego... but at least he's upfront and says what he feels, rather than implying something under the guise of being supportive/concerned. It's like Fern is constantly wanting to show the public the worst in the others, whilst not coming across nasty in doing so. I'm guessing she done similar during interviews on TM and this is where my dislike came from originally. I think she's incredibly fake.

I'm not far off Ferns age and I wouldn't expect the younger 'boys' to have much in common with me. I do agree the 'boys' are quite dull though.

Yes, Fern's father was a famous actor, she went to the Central School of Speech and Drama, she's worked in television for a long time and, particularly when she was on This Morning, she must have met a lot of well-known figures, but nobody seems interested in asking her anything. She must have more anecdotes in her than Louis. (Of course, she could be saying things so salacious that it's all been bird-twittered over.)

I'm that sad I've actually rewatched that bit in the garden. I think Nikita is genuinely nonplussed about what's gone on and he did give her a chance to speak, at which point she says: "There was no drama. You were very sweet. You were a young man paying me a compliment a couple of day ago, and it was very kind of you and it amused me because I thought, 'Ha, huh,'' y'know, and I apologise..."

She didn't articulate herself very well at all and would've been better off taking the hit from BB for discussing nominations and just saying, 'It's made me feel like shit that you've nominated me every time and it's got me wondering if you've got something against me."

It seemed to me that Nikita was a bit WTF? although he must have had an idea Ferm was pissed off with him. She was happy and willing to kick Louis out with the snake, so to be so annoyed about Nikita nominating her made her a hypocrite.

To be fair, when she was on TM most of the housemates still in now were probably in short trousers😂so gossip about daytime telly guests from 20 years ago isn't going to float their boat. And Louis is too busy dropping names and bitching himself to care about what anyone else says.

They do have some decent guests on this morning as well as all the general celebrities. Prime ministers, very famous pop stars etc
I prefer Fern’s stripy pjs to David’s pink oodie.

I've thought a lot about this.

Having a chat with the younger generation about how you never really feel old, it's just how people perceive you and treat you when you are older is a valid conversation. I had that conversation with my Nanna when she was dying of cancer. It was an enlightening and tender moment between an elderly lady that I respected hugely, who I was related to.

In Fern's case, the timing was wrong, it came out a little wrong, and she didn't have a close connection with the younger Man in question. It was never going to be received in the way she hoped, sadly.

It would have been lovely if Nikita had said something like "Oh wow. Thanks Fern as I hadn't appreciated that" and given her a hug.

But he didn't, and I guess they are all pretty defensive in there and constantly second guessing how their actions and reactions are viewed by the public. She caught him off guard as the conversation didn't happen organically.

I can see it from both sides. It is something that will be shown to both of them upon their exits. What will be telling will be how they react to seeing that. I'm reckoning Fern will shrug and go " oh, well" and Nikita will make a big deal about how he was made to feel a bit shit out of 'nothing'

If I'm honest, I do feel it was micro ageism (as in, not out and out nasty on his behalf, but subconsciously ageist on his behalf) As we know, small things add up - especially in the house - and on top of how Fern has felt in the past few years personally.

It's an unfortunate part of life that we will always come up against this type of issue, and it's good in a way that it's been highlighted. I think the younger generation are more likely to stand their ground these days rather than take on board an older person's perspective. (Hence we have so much discussion in the media about 'Millenialls' versus 'Boomers', for example) Years ago, you were taught to just respect your elders no matter what. That wasn't necessarily a good thing, mind.

I do also wonder if he'd commented on a stripy top being fashionable to say, David or Colson, they would have replied there and then that they knew that, or said "cheeky bugger" or even just "ooh, thank you" (coming from such a fashion conscious man)

Louis' ageist (and sexist) comments to Fern have been way worse, and far more cutting. They also come across as ingrained with him. Yes, partly due to the industry he's been in, but also cos he is positively gleeful about insulting people. I therefore, find this much more distasteful, yet folk here want him to win. I don't believe in rewarding shitty behaviour, personally, but I get that he's been entertaining in a drama sense for the show.

BB has always been an interesting psychological experiment. (And why they have psychologists commenting on the after shows) It's what makes it fascinating and quite addictive to watch.

I've thought about this too much. 😆

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you haven’t thought about it too much - BB is all about psychological analysis and I love it!

My point was not about the calibre of the guests as such, more that people who were relevant then aren't necessarily so now so the younger housemates probably wouldn't be asking for anecdotes from 20 years ago when they were very young.

Exactly!

This is the only comment I've seen commenting on that apart from mine. And it surprises me.
He wouldn't let her speak so she gave up. She said 'come here' to him. He should have heard her out even if he didn't agree

I think yes Fern isn't perfect but it comes across like almost everyone on here thinks Nikita can do no wrong and it annoys me a bit

He did 'let' her speak! I've even typed out what she said.

I also think that that the housemates see Fern as a has been and that there is nothing in it for them in terms of career advancement to make the effort with her. Louis and Sharon will have been seen as well connected and people to get on the good side of.

Fair enough that that's how it came across to you.

I perceived it differently like the other poster

Nikita did ask Fern earlier in the day if she was okay, because he'd noticed she wasn't talking much. That would've been a better moment for her to mention how she felt. She seems to have felt very uneasy though about speaking to Nikita, she needed some dutch courage. We haven't saw everything, and Fern is usually very forthright, so I think she must've had a few bad vibe moments from Nikita.

I think Nikita is quite boring. I also think Fern was in the wrong and it wasn't as deep as her feeling ignored or whatever. She was just pissed off that she found out Nikita had nominated her. Which after all, is part of the game.

Well I would be interested to hear her talk about Tony Blair, Dolly Parton, Cliff Richards, Desmond TuTu et al but I’m not in my 20s.

For me it was the fact that he stood and was not willing to sit dowm and meet her halfway so they could iron out there differences. He has been very dismissive of her throughout and is not as well mannered as he thinks.

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I absolutely love Nikita on Strictly and he does seem like a genuinely decent person. Coming from a show like Strictly makes doing CBB a bit of a risk, because the Strictly pros are disposable and becoming a public hate figure or getting involved in some kind of cancel culture -ism row could easily see a pro's contract not being renewed. Nikita is coming across as being petrified of tainting his image to the point of being a bit cowardly, e.g. he doesn't want the public to think he could actually dislike someone so he gives rather vague and unsatisfying reasons for his nominations. It's the wrong show for someone as image conscious as him.