THE PUSH. MURDER ONNTHE CLIFF - sun and mon 9pm ch 4 - TV PACE. NO SPOILERS

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hasn’t been a lot on recently or had 3 dramas on one night. Wish they would spread them out !!

anyway new 2 parter based on real life

In 2021, a young lawyer fell from the top of Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh.

Her husband was soon arrested for murder.

A murder with no weapon and no witnesses.

Scotland's top legal team need to skilfully paint a picture of what happened.

did she fall or was she pushed ?

if she was pushed was it her husband ?

I didn't know any of that @AndiOliversGlasses thank you for adding the detail.
Do victims' families get a family liaison officer in Scotland do you know?

It must be an overwhelming emotional burden to hear crucial detail in court in front of the accused and their family and supporters.

What a queen amongst women Farzeah's (sp) mother is.
The programme prompted me to send a donation to Karma Nirvana.
May she rest in peace

I didn't reliese they

Sounds like Scotland legal system is very different to England

Same as their house buying and gazumping

2006 https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12430036.schoolboy-12-plunges-death-arthurs-seat-taiwanese-youngster-guided-tour/

2012 https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2012/05/21/man-dies-in-arthurs-seat-fall/

2016 https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-herald-1130/20160602/281560880049991

2009 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/4514154/arthurs-seat-edinburgh-death-tribute-fundraiser/

2000 https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12216444.arthurs-seat-death-fall/

I don't know where that policeman has been all this time.

Actually one or two in my list could have been suicides rather than accidents.

I was hoping there'd be posts about this.

I come from a similar background and there were many times , eg, my daughter now, that were close to what I have experienced. The mum Yasmine, God, this has changed her life forever. She was so eloquent and strong on the stand. Didn't let the defense solicitor get at her.

His family, i think the dad was indirectly involved. His friend was a bag of shit. What an idiot. It was telling that he had barely any support compared to fawziyah.

My heart went out to her poor family who acted with such dignity. What an amazing person to be trying to get the truth out while dying and in a lot of pain.

In these types of relationships women should just get out asap if that is possible.

I thought it was telling that that piece of garbage claimed to have lost his phone on the way up to Scotland - I think his search history would have been very incriminating.

Yes they do. Ours was mediocre.

I don’t have any first hand experience of the English system but I imagine the same principles apply. They can’t risk prejudicing the case by telling the victim’s family all the details in advance.

I come from a Christian family and I was treated terribly for trying to leave the man who tried to kill me. Without wanting to stereotype, I can only imagine that Muslim families are the same, if not harsher ... although her mum did seem to be supporting her to leave, you don't know what the husbands family were saying to her.

Just watched this. And cried for most of it, especially when the judge and lawyers were!

I didn't realise at first that it was footage rather than a dramatic account. Her mum was so dignified.

I've just watched this and it's heartbreaking. The witness account who was in hospital bed beside her and overhearing the conversation was so upsetting.

My thoughts on the phone call to her dad - if it was truly an accident I think it would be more logical for him to blurt out "there's being an awful accident" insted he hangs up, when he realises he dialed her dad and then he manually puts in his own father's number - that left me with no doubt that it wasn't an accident

I've just watched this - didn't know it was coming in
That poor woman. He was hopping she was dead when he shouted to the witness
I'm going to come back to this thread. I can't imagine how her family must have felt to hear all the evidence they didn't know was out there. Such a sad story and waste of a life

Have they?? Jaysus I didn't think it looked THAT steep? Unless maybe tumbles into rocks or something (sorry if insensitive?) Sort of like Bray Head over here...

I did see this on advertised on Chan4 & it piqued my interest

Weak, failed men are dangerous.

This.

Can anyone explain something please? The Mum said Fawziyah was her only child, but then there is a man who keeps referring to the Mum as his mum as well. It's really distracted me.

It is attitudes like this which is why so many women avoid getting help and why there is still such a stigma attached to domestic abuse - take it from someone who has been in this situation, especially within these certain communities and cultures.

There is that pressure to try and make a marriage work no matter what (even her uncle wrote in a text message “not to come home for every little problem and to focus on the marriage”). Failure to do so would be seen as shameful and divorce is still looked down upon in certain cultures and you can be seen as ‘damaged goods’. Also, what people don’t realise is that men like this are not horrible and evil monsters 100% of the time, that is how they create the ‘cycle’ of women returning to the relationship over and over again. These men have the ability to be extremely charming and apologetic and often ‘love bomb’ their victims after an abusive incident occurs. There may also be a fear for your own life (as leaving is the most dangerous time) but also the safety of your friends and family, because it is not uncommon for the perpetrator to make threats against them to prevent the other person from leaving the relationship - I believe that he threatened to “rip her mother’s tongue out” in a phone call if she said anything about him again?

Unless you have been in that situation, you will never truly be able to understand the reasons as to why women stay in that relationship for so long - it is really not as black and white and easy as you have made out.

^ I think Fawziyah was doing everything she could to keep herself and her loved ones as safe as possible, biding her time to get out at the right time. Her murderer didn't allow that.

No there was her uncle who was talking a lot. The Urdu word for Maternal Uncle is Mamoon

Also, Mama or Maama or Mamu

@HippyCritical exactly this, which is why I genuinely do not believe that she would have confronted him or told him about her plans to leave him when they was at the top of that hill. If he did have any inkling that she was going to leave him - it would have been through him looking through her phone and maybe seeing something that she forgot to delete, and families like this are known to ‘spy’ on the daughter-in-law so maybe they overheard a phone call or something along the lines of that?

Was this when he said that his mother was screaming when the police turned up at the house? He probably was not referring to Fawziyah’s mother as that is his sister, he most probably is referring to their actual mother (Fawziyah’s grandmother) as it is not uncommon for multiple generations to live in the same household.

Not all of it is steep or precipitous, but parts are. If you are too close to a drop-off and step back for a selfie, or if you trip or slip on a steep area, and fall and hit your head, it could easily be fatal. There are rocky parts where you could trip, and muddy parts where you could slip (especially if you're clumsy like me!). It also catches the wind up at the top.

@ohatefiftyfor and @Madeline637 thank you, that makes sense!

The world would be a better place with more like her

Heat Hear.

She’d make a wonderful friend and I’m sad I don’t know her. I love her. As ridiculous as that may sound.