THE PUSH. MURDER ONNTHE CLIFF - sun and mon 9pm ch 4 - TV PACE. NO SPOILERS

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hasn’t been a lot on recently or had 3 dramas on one night. Wish they would spread them out !!

anyway new 2 parter based on real life

In 2021, a young lawyer fell from the top of Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh.

Her husband was soon arrested for murder.

A murder with no weapon and no witnesses.

Scotland's top legal team need to skilfully paint a picture of what happened.

did she fall or was she pushed ?

if she was pushed was it her husband ?

@martinisforeveryone uk law does not recognise islamic religious marriage so I assume they had a UK law marriage as well. most Muslims in this country do both

such a scumbag

not sure what the uk law is re murdered spouse's and inheritance (as far as I know they can't inherit). in islamic law, the penalty for murder is death so obv he can't inherit anything. also the man has no rights at all on wife's income/assets/funds. if there is divorce each leaves with their own assets and the woman obviously has the mehr she was paid on marriage. all costs to do with children has to be paid by the husband following divorce. husband does inherit if a wife passes away but can't remember the portion of inheritance.

@BigJeanette must be spooky watching and knowing exactly where it occured.
How hard a climb is it? I was surprised at them going up there at dusk and wearing only Converse.

Again, thanks for the insight @therealcookiemonster I was only wondering because they didn't specifically say about an English law registration and it was the further mess and heartache for her family that I was thinking about. Who got to organise the funeral if they were no longer next of kin and settle her estate. Hopefully her own family had agency. The father in law was quick to mention what he'd paid for her engagement ring and that he 'still hadn't got it back' He was absolutely tone deaf wasn't he, no idea at all.

@martinisforeveryone sorry I misunderstood the question!

yes he is a right entitled and smug bastard

if I was that girls relative, someone would have been sent round by now to teach him a few manners

@therealcookiemonster not at all, it's interesting and I'm learning.

I just hope there are no other brothers sucking women into that toxic environment, although there was that big brave bearded bloke who called Jasmine a bitch and verbally abused her outside court. What a paragon.

Like I say, this case and this documentary really caught my attention. I think it was humanising hearing from real people in their own voice, rather than just reading media reports.

The victim was so full of life, successful, well liked and seemed so lovely. Her family were so dignified to, what a lovely mother Jasmine is. His family on the other hand, seemed very different, especially his father who made some very odd comments. The comment about paying 6800 pounds for a ring 'but they haven't even given it me back'. Very different families, hers very articulate, his seemed surly and not at all concerned about her death.

@martinisforeveryone
It is very spooky and it made me go all funny when I realised we were there almost exactly a month to the day before her murder.
I've attached a photo, you can see it is still very light at ten to seven in the evening at the beginning of August.
It was fine for us climb as we (including a 7 yr old) are all fit and able, there were a few tricky bits of very crumbly paths but it also depends which route you take.
It was our first and so far, only time there so I can't say how hard the other routes may have been.

We were all just wearing normal trainers.
Also attached another pic showing just how high up above Edinburgh it is and how crumbly the edges of the terrain is.
I didn't go any nearer the edge because I've a fear of heights so just looking back at that now has made me feel super wobbly.

Watched both episodes last night and it's rare that something gets me on the edge of tears. Arthur's Seat is only an hour from me too so I guess it's close to home.

Fawziyah's mother is a queen and pillar of strength, I admired her so much.

Question about the diamond ring that was mentioned by the accused's father (which was utterly gross btw)...if it were ever released from police evidence, where would it go? Because the accused's father seemed to believe he should have it back but I'd have assumed it would be returned to Fawziyah's parents?

RIP beautiful Fawziyah 💕

I'd have assumed the ring was a gift, so her possession and she's no longer around to give it back. Can't imagine her family would want it though, whatever the financial value. I can imagine gifting it to Karma Nirvana for funds and the father in law having an apoplexy.

@BigJeanette good of you to include that. On the one hand it looked as though plenty of people stroll up there regularly, on the other it looked huge and foreboding, although the police did say they never really hear of accidents, so I did gather it's not considered a particular challenge.

@martinisforeveryone yes I agree. I doubt her family would want to keep it however I'd hope that they get the choice of what to do with it if it were ever released from police evidence. Donating to Karma Nirvana would be a fine idea.

The accused's father was just the pits.

'She was our daughter, not theirs' how utterly horrible

Thanks for pic

Scary to think no barrier

I wondered if his English was good enough. I noticed when the husband gave the news that Fawziya was pregnant, he gave it mainly in Urdu. The father's body language when he heard the news was heart breaking. It should have made him overjoyed but he was clearly contemplating how much more difficult his daughter's situation had become. He couldn't even look at the husband.
Fawziya and her parents looked like such a happy family before that piece of shit came along. She was too good for him and I think he knew that.

piece of shit that’s so completely right. His father and friend no better. Imagine they said that in front of the cameras - so what were they like when no cameras. I dread to think.

They knew enough English to scream
BITCH at Jasmine….

I just wanted to give the mother a huge hug and I really have so much respect for her. Such a
well composed, polite and honest type of woman under the circumstances, not many people (mother of the deceased) would remain so composed when you could also see how desperately devastated and broken she was. There wasn’t animosity or evilness in wanting pay back. Just telling the truth and wanting justice.
The world would be a better place with more like her.

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I get the impression that the father in law had a lot to do with the murder. The fact that the defendant called his Dad up straight after he pushed her as if to confirm he had carried out the plan.

Really? Are you sure? The investigating police officer in the documentary said nobody had died falling accidentally in his memory. You’d think he’d know.

I regularly walk up Arthur’s Seat and I’ve never heard of anyone else dying there before. I cried watching this documentary. Seeing her father, the defence attorney and the judge all cry was unexpected. Her mother was amazing. I think it’s a safe bet that his mother is badly abused by his father. I did wonder about her safety.

I was surprised that the officer stated that, thought I misheard. There have been several deaths over the last few years (I had a quick google to confirm) and I believe there have been deliberate jumps. But considering the numbers of visitors up there every day it's a pretty safe place to walk.

I was wondering why they had the women " expert on cctv recognition" on the stand but it became clear when the role of the phone came into play after the push. He said he didn't have a phone. But he obviously had access to Fawziyah's phone and rang her Dad by mistake then rang his own father.

Yes - I wondered if the police got the father-in-law's phone. The husband's phone was apparently lost in York. Very suspicious.

I cried when it showed the judge and the prosecution barrister crying. Was incredibly touched by that.

A terribly sad case and so needless and so many lives ruined all for one man’s need to be in control of everything!

I had the misfortune to be related to the victim of a serious crime that was tried in Scotland. What many of you won’t realise- as I did not before it happened to us- is that the family are not told any of the detail of the investigation or the prosecution case so any evidence that they did not provide themselves, they will learn/hear about for the first time in Court.

So, for example, they would not have known about the call made to his father from her phone after the fall, or what he said to the police officer at the end of his interview, they would not have seen any of the CCTV of the walk to Arthur’s seat, or the photos from her camera, or the American witness testifying about the fight in the hotel. They might have known what she said to the policewoman and passer by as that may have been shared out of kindness to help the family understand her last moments and explain why he was arrested. I guess they would have known about what he said to her in the hospital that was overheard, because she probably told her mother about that herself, but they probably didn’t know that a first hand witness would be called.

It’s incredibly difficult when you know the case is being put together and they can tell you so little. Being there at the trial fills in a lot of important factual gaps as well as being emotionally important.