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Alice and Jack SPOILERS

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MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 16/02/2024 09:22

I binged the lot and loved it, anyone else watched it already?

It made me laugh and I bawled my eyes out at the end.

I was surprised to see such scathing reviews as I enjoyed it loads, some bits were nonsense but it wasn't a documentary so I let that go.

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Aquarius1234 · 26/02/2024 14:06

The large cheque for over 5 million was ridiculous. Stupid he hadn't seen her for years and investing well at a guess 30k?
If only it was that easy to get rich !!!

Aquarius1234 · 26/02/2024 14:09

Her flat was really weird with the lift going straight into her hallway.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 26/02/2024 14:24

Aquarius1234 · 26/02/2024 14:09

Her flat was really weird with the lift going straight into her hallway.

Common in posh flats with a doorman/ security who calls the lift for you. I have a friend with a flat like that, lift goes directly into the flat, she has to pay a whacking service charge because of it. It's another world!😂

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diddl · 26/02/2024 15:08

I did watch a bit more of this although I'd hated what I had already see!

So she had ivf & after they had sex?

Or she didn't have ivf?

I wish I could have got more of a sense of what he saw in her.

Why she could just piss off for years & he'd let her just walk all over him (again!!)

Go to her wedding?

Sure!!

Give a speech??

I mean wtaf?

CheerfulBardo · 26/02/2024 17:57

I loved it. I loved the long takes and the low-key atmosphere, and I thought both leads were great (and Aisling Bea and Sunil Patel). I hardly ever watch tv, had never heard of this, was flicking through channels about to go to bed, and landed in partway through episode two and was engaged immediately, and watched it all over the next few days.

I don’t think Alice is particularly ‘damaged’, or not more than averagely so, though I did find myself thinking that her high income is what allows a lot of her character arc — flitting around the world, dipping in and out of high-stakes jobs, able to buy Jack a houseful of furniture and expensive baby gear, halt her own expensive wedding, have Harley Street care, change her mind about going to Cuba etc.

Far harder for her to be this carefree, freewheeling type living in a grotty houseshare in Brixton and worrying about paying her bills.

I have questions, which I also asked on the TV-pace thread.

Why on earth did the writers have combative, intelligent, no-bullshit Alice fall for a dimwit football agent with awful friends (and doesn’t she seem like the last person he would fall for?) It seemed like a very eccentric decision, and never seemed like a likely marriage.

How does Maya morph from PA (‘you can’t be my friend because I pay you’) to actual friend (though she still seems to act as PA to Alice)?

Did other people keep confusing Alice’s office with her apartment, because both were approached by similar-looking long, dark corridors?

How does Alice manage to zip around London (work, dates, entire days out etc) without ever having a bag, a purse, even keys etc with her? The only time she has a bag is when she and Maya and leaving for the insemination appointment, and Maya packs and carries it! I know it’s intended to show her unfettered character, and I did keep thinking that my arrivals and departures would have been far less impactful, as I spent five minutes throwing paperbacks, purse, keys etc into my backpack before walking away up Parliament Hill.

I admired the low key way Alice’s death was filmed, especially the shot where the porters, Jack and Alice’s body are in the lift with an oblivious arguing couple, but I did wonder whether, in a (presumably) expensive private clinic, the are where relatives would be allowed to sit with a body would have involved quite such shabby corridors and quite so much of an air of behind the scenes?

I assumed we’d flashed ahead a long way in time to see Celia suddenly being an accomplished dancer en pointe, but it doesn’t seem so — she must have gone from having her first demo with Alice to going en pointe very quickly…

CheerfulBardo · 26/02/2024 18:06

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 26/02/2024 14:24

Common in posh flats with a doorman/ security who calls the lift for you. I have a friend with a flat like that, lift goes directly into the flat, she has to pay a whacking service charge because of it. It's another world!😂

I’ve stayed in friends’ flats like this — generally the penthouse in a modern building. You have to turn a key in the lift to get it to go beyond the ‘normal’ floors, so unless she’d explained this to Jack and left a key somewhere obvious, his coffee run after their second night together would probably have involved him being stranded ignominiously in the lobby or the doorman phoning Alice.

Oh, have just remembered my other quibble. Earth is usually mounded over a new grave, because the coffin obviously takes up space, and the soil will settle over time, anyway, so you overfill graves when you’re filling them in ie, they’re not flat. And why no flowers? Not even one austere wreath? I can appreciate that Alice, who knew she was dying, might have specified none, but Jack’s hardly likely to have had a no-flower policy.

SunflowerSeeds123 · 26/02/2024 18:55

I managed one episode. I hated it.

poppetandmog · 27/02/2024 09:08

I absolutely loved this. It's the first thing I've binged watched in ages. Yes, it wasn't entirely realistic but it was moving nonetheless. I never cry at tv but did at that last episode.

Figgygal · 27/02/2024 21:29

Just finished it
They both annoyed the fuck out of me, made me cross theyd wasted so much time dicking around and it was so predictable how it ended.
Wish I'd not bothered tbh

Tenegrief · 28/02/2024 09:50

I battled through this and found it profoundly unmoving. And I'm someone who is a total sucker for romances, particularly the will they/won't they genre (I cried buckets at the end of Normal People and One Day. And La La Land broke me).

I think my inability to emotionally connect with the story was pretty much down to the fact it was totally unbelievable in so many places. The foundations of this supposed inescapablly deep connection between them is just so implausible that I struggled to make sense of everything that came after. How on earth did Jack fall so deeply for her when she was so cold and unpleasant to him? Maybe he just really loved her lush flat?! His being broken by her rejection of him after that first, weird, date literally makes no sense to me.

Ultimately Alice is a malevolent presence in Jack's life (financial influence aside) - she drops in and out of his life at points in a way that is cruel and incredibly controlling. She is emotionally abusive and their relationship is horribly toxic.

I'm pretty sure I was supposed to be rooting for them but I absolutely was not - I wanted her to leave him the fuck alone and for him to move on with someone who wasn't a toxic succubus but, no, even in death she somehow (in another completely unbelievable story) dragged her with him.

I think the acting was fab (Andrea Riseborough is a phenomenal actress) but it was a massive miss for me.

Smoor · 28/02/2024 14:05

I really liked Alice! Clearly I was alone. Grin

If anything, I wondered what she saw in Jack, who was slightly gormless and harmless (though with excellent skin). I mean, I think what I found most unlikely in the entire plot (and I'm including his dramatic demise) is that someone spiky and solitary like Alice would be that impressed with someone like him (or indeed the guy she almost married) to the point where she's telling him he's handsome, kind, a good lover etc when she's spent about four waking hours with him. He's a nice, rather ordinary man when she meets him(OK, with mildly stalkerish, gloomy and obsessive tendencies.)

FastFood · 02/03/2024 15:25

Loved it too, and loved them both.
I'm not a fan of romance but this one stuck with me.

Few things didn't make sense, like the huge investment return, the daughter who becomes a ballerina in 2 years, but its details really.
My main regret is that it doesn't really feel London-y. I love when series or films are set in London and when it serves the narrative, there it was a bit generic.

notanothernana · 03/03/2024 22:47

Namechangedforthis25 · 23/02/2024 19:05

Yeah much preferred one day to this tosh:

  • there’s nothing stopping them being together as they admitted their feelings on day one. They were old enough and clever enough to stop playing games and just get on with it. This wasn’t Romeo and Juliet because their relationship status was down to their games
  • one day was different - they didn’t admit their feelings for years and years and life got in the way. That was about the dance of love.
  • based on Alice constantly disappearing and rejecting Jack, I didn’t actually think she loved him at all. Plus they didn’t have any chemistry at all.
  • they were fundamentally unlikable people - actually very annoying.
  • her passing was plausible and sad.
  • him passing the next day was ridiculous - very unlikely story and just adds to the lack of belief or interest I have in this story
  • no great visuals, no great music, cinematography was dire
  • no reference to indicate the passage of tome - other than a slight reference to lab tech evolving
  • ultimately utterly utterly boring - they couldn’t have made it more boring if they tried!

Just finished it and I couldn't agree with this more. I hate myself for having watched it all. I hated them, they annoyed me and they were such an unlikely couple. Pah!

shonnie · 10/03/2024 18:05

I got lost at the end one as did she lose baby and did he die too . Alice annoyed me all thru and nearly turned off. but it was sad on last one and not sure who the girl was walk ing with Jack
in graveyard,was it his daughter with Alice 🤔

shonnie · 10/03/2024 18:10

My thoughts too . Seemed very slow first five episodes and confusing

Smoor · 11/03/2024 14:46

shonnie · 10/03/2024 18:05

I got lost at the end one as did she lose baby and did he die too . Alice annoyed me all thru and nearly turned off. but it was sad on last one and not sure who the girl was walk ing with Jack
in graveyard,was it his daughter with Alice 🤔

Edited

No, that was Celia, Jack's daughter with Lyn, to whom he had been married -- the budding ballerina.

Alice was having treatment for an aggressive cancer, so yes, I assume that the treatment would be incompatible with sustaining a pregnancy. And yes, that cancer eventually killed her, and his condition, probably exacerbated by the stress of her death, killed him unexpectedly (and in a fairly unlikely but symmetrical way) the next morning.

Allfur · 13/03/2024 13:35

Why couldn't they get the Heathrow express to Heathrow, or the tube?

AppropriateAdult · 15/03/2024 09:52

I finished watching this last night, was a bit of a slow burner for me - the first couple of episodes were just irritating, but I felt it improved a lot towards the end. I didn't buy their relationship at all for the first few years - they had spent so little time together that his obsession with her felt ridiculous, and their total lack of chemistry was glaring. Their first date was so odd, it felt like she was interviewing him for a place at uni or something.
However, after the jump where they had met again in Cuba and started spendng more time together, they really did seem to develop a chemistry and I found their relationsip much more believable from then on. And the last couple of episodes were really affecting. I don't think they should have killed Jack off, though; that just felt pointlessly nihilistic.
I thought the acting was great throughout.

CheerfulBardo · 15/03/2024 09:56

AppropriateAdult · 15/03/2024 09:52

I finished watching this last night, was a bit of a slow burner for me - the first couple of episodes were just irritating, but I felt it improved a lot towards the end. I didn't buy their relationship at all for the first few years - they had spent so little time together that his obsession with her felt ridiculous, and their total lack of chemistry was glaring. Their first date was so odd, it felt like she was interviewing him for a place at uni or something.
However, after the jump where they had met again in Cuba and started spendng more time together, they really did seem to develop a chemistry and I found their relationsip much more believable from then on. And the last couple of episodes were really affecting. I don't think they should have killed Jack off, though; that just felt pointlessly nihilistic.
I thought the acting was great throughout.

Gosh, apart from remarking on his handsomeness, I don’t think their first date was all that unlike the way I was on first dates back in the dim and distant past. I mean, I was interviewing them, wanting to weed out the dopey, the inarticulate, the unamusing etc before things went any further!

AppropriateAdult · 15/03/2024 10:17

Oh, I fully admit I've never done OLD (or even an old-fashioned 'blind date') so I've no idea what they're usually like. But to me her manner was incredibly patronising; from the way they interacted I would have said her character was ten years older than his. I'm just not sure what he was so attracted to.

benchpark · 15/03/2024 16:42

I have just finished this after watching One Day and seeing this as a recommendation. Wasn't ready for another heartbreak 😭😭😭

EarringsandLipstick · 15/03/2024 16:45

I thought the acting was great throughout.

I agree, they individually did a great job. But I never felt there was any chemistry between Domhnall Gleeson & Andrea Risenorough

EarringsandLipstick · 15/03/2024 16:45

EarringsandLipstick · 15/03/2024 16:45

I thought the acting was great throughout.

I agree, they individually did a great job. But I never felt there was any chemistry between Domhnall Gleeson & Andrea Risenorough

  • Riseborough 🙄
EarringsandLipstick · 15/03/2024 16:47

Oh, have just remembered my other quibble. Earth is usually mounded over a new grave, because the coffin obviously takes up space, and the soil will settle over time, anyway, so you overfill graves when you’re filling them in ie, they’re not flat. And why no flowers? Not even one austere wreath? I can appreciate that Alice, who knew she was dying, might have specified none, but Jack’s hardly likely to have had a no-flower policy.

The oddest quibble ever!

Though mine were why they weren't in the same plot, rather than side-by-side

niadainud · 15/03/2024 19:54

I'm surprised no-one's commented on the really clunky "dying of a broken heart" metaphor.