Page 6 | Traitors UK S2 Thread 6 "She believes everything I say"

Riverlee · 25/01/2024 09:56

Evie was definantly the calm voice amongst the hysterics last night.

Stowickthevast · 25/01/2024 09:59

happinessischocolate · 25/01/2024 08:27

I think Andrew is a lot more intelligent than he's making out.

apart from losing Jasmine, he completed the task, no one else did. If that had been Zack he would have been bragging about how clever he was, but Andrew kept really playing it down. Kept saying it was the team that won.
he immediately, without even a pause said "when have I ever used the word elusive" it was so quick. That's someone who is already playing it down and pretending.

3)he doesn't trust Harry at all and yet Harry thinks he's his baby traitor

He also really quickly said that he knew about the shield so he didn't get lumped in with the don't knows and so the supposed traitors.

MaggieFS · 25/01/2024 09:59

The Jasmine/Zach dynamic is interesting. I may be recalling incorrectly, but I think in the first few episodes, he was less extreme and did seem to be a bit more measured (and accurate?) in his thinking. Equally, there were times when Jasmine was downright rude to him. I know we don't see everything, but of what was shown, it was rude behaviour (note, I am not saying she is always like that).

Perhaps where we are now is an evolution of that. His reaction to her rudeness is more extreme behaviour to try and be listened to, and by return, none of us could be anything but frustrated with Zack in yesterday's episode.

Ruminate2much · 25/01/2024 09:59

Anyway, I'd better get on with the day (I work from home at the moment) I'm seriously embarrassed by how invested I am in all of this! Thank goodness this board is anonymous. I could never admit to it in real life! 🤭
I'll check in with you all later.

MotherofGorgons · 25/01/2024 10:02

I am v invested too
I want to watch US S 2 but I believe it's reality stars again. Which I hate.
Evie has played it well, I think
I would like a Traitors in which everyone is forced to speak at table.

ScribblingPixie · 25/01/2024 10:20

I agree, Andrew went too far. It was obvious he was lying.

During his huffing he asked what elusive meant and also said that Harry wasn't elusive as he'd been with him all day, making it clear he understood the meaning. He over-egged it

MozzieMayhem · 25/01/2024 10:27

Mintyt · 25/01/2024 09:06

Watching traitors unclocked Ross comes across really really well

I caught up with Uncloaked this morning and even in the camo fleece (?!) it’s just fuelled my Ross crush 😳

ScribblingPixie · 25/01/2024 10:27

there's just total a-moral sliminess

I can see the editing wants us to think that about Harry atm, but I don't agree. Harry is just enjoying the game and the chance to go home with a lot of money. When Johnny found out Harry was a traitor on Uncloaked he looked momentarily upset then said 'he's been given a task'. As another ex soldier he totally got it. Harry was genuinely upset at voting out Johnny but said the game was he had to do it to them all and so he had to get on with it. He's not setting the game's rules, he's following them and is tough enough to learn to enjoy it on that level and try to excel.

NCTDN · 25/01/2024 10:29

Aww gutted that Ross is gone.

JaneJeffer · 25/01/2024 10:34

DietrichandDiMaggio · 25/01/2024 08:26

From the previous thread:

I'm telling myself there has to be a parallel universe somewhere where Ross does indeed avenge Diane, and it played out the way many of us hoped. That's the only way I can make what happened last night (in this universe!) bearable!

I don't get this though. Diane being murdered was just part of the game and she was obviously going to be targeted, because she was a louder character. Ok, she's his mum., but apart from that, there was no reason for her not to have been murdered. Ross was never going to be able to 'avenge' her death as a traitor, because he wasn't very good as a faithful either, and he certainly didn't deserve to win.
Also those saying it's obvious he was recruited later because he couldn't have murdered his mum - IT'S A GAME!

Exactly! They all knew what they were signing up for. You can't trust anyone and that's the whole point of the game. Anyone who doesn't remember that, well tough shit

florentina1 · 25/01/2024 10:39

Does anyone else think that Mollie was murdered. That would stop any suspicion on harry as people knew they were friends.

MeinKraft · 25/01/2024 10:45

@MozzieMayhem ME TOO!! I want to be his girlfriend and go to Diane's house for Sunday lunch it was the wink that did it for me

MeinKraft · 25/01/2024 10:45

florentina1 · 25/01/2024 10:39

Does anyone else think that Mollie was murdered. That would stop any suspicion on harry as people knew they were friends.

That would be callous AF from Harry. So, probably

NonPlayerCharacter · 25/01/2024 10:49

Alchemistress · 25/01/2024 09:35

@WoolyMammoth55

Ah yes I see your point. Smart thinking from Andrew at that point in the game. And so quick!

Still, I think I'd like a side note in future games that at the Round Table you have to stand by anything you've said otherwise going forward it's a potential quagmire of flat out denials. It's more interesting seeing people have to defend their actions because otherwise the people who are good at shouting others down will come out on top.

I don't know...People might genuinely not remember that they've said something, and it seems weird to say that lying about everything else is fine, but not what you've said. I guess you'd need to play by getting witnesses if you want to hold it against someone.

MozzieMayhem · 25/01/2024 10:51

MeinKraft · 25/01/2024 10:45

@MozzieMayhem ME TOO!! I want to be his girlfriend and go to Diane's house for Sunday lunch it was the wink that did it for me

The wink 😵 it was iconic! I think my near-swoon probably gave me away to DH 😄

notacooldad · 25/01/2024 10:52

Aww gutted that Ross is gone
Ross got in my nerves with his whining about wanting his mother's ' murder' to be avenged.
It's a bloody game, someone has to be out!

CaveMum · 25/01/2024 10:53

If they don’t murder Jaz he’s a shoe in for the Final, and that could be a big problem for Harry. Jaz said (and crucially the producers showed us him saying it) that he had suspicions about Harry but would not make a move until he knew others were on board.

There’s no way Evie is getting banished and she has questions over Harry too so if the two of them are in the Final and put a bit of pressure on Harry I can see Andrew teaming up with them.

CaveMum · 25/01/2024 10:54

Has this been posted yet?

The Traitors: The stylist behind Claudia Winkleman's tartan chic - BBC News

The Traitors: The stylist behind Claudia Winkleman's tartan chic

The TV host's tartan chic has garnered almost as much attention as the game.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68074810

SlightlyJaded · 25/01/2024 10:56

I agree with the theory that Jaz is playing a long game. He has shut up about Harry and is being all matey with him. I think he is hoping to fly under the radar until the firepit and take him out then. But obviously he needs to survive that long.

On the basis that Harry is calling all the shots on behalf of the Traitors, my pros and cons on last night's murder choice would be:

Mollie - loyal to Harry at the moment. Someone mentioned that she seems to be having doubts but I don't really see it - I don't think she will turn on him. But I think Harry could play the 'absolutely gutted' card quite well here....
Zach - he is such a good decoy. His mouth runs off so it's so easy to switch things back on to him. He could be a wasted murder as he could well be banished if Jasmine survives.
Jaz - I hope it's not him, but he would be the smartest murder I think. By far the most astute and not massively on anyone's radar to be banished (so far).

I know Harry has said some arsehole things, but I really think he is playing well. He's been given a mission and he is trained to complete the mission to the best of his ability. Fair play to him.

awaynboilyurheid · 25/01/2024 10:58

OvaHere · 25/01/2024 08:54

If Harry wins, wonder if he’ll be pulled up in front of an Army Ethics Committee.

I was thinking he might get a promotion to Special Forces or recruited to MI5.* *😂

Ha it’s a game and he’s worked hard to stay in so I agree Team Harry
Andrew did well last night with his “ elusive” denial but the strong argument with Ross already making the others think it was traitor vs traitor.
I liked Ross seems a lovely young man, hopeless at spotting traitors so good he became one so others think he was an original, relieved he’s gone
Jaz was edited out last night didn’t hear him at all but he’s still, to me, the main danger to the Traitors.
Hope they murder him, then Zac and Jasmine can argue at the round table with Jasmine going I think.
Molly will just follow Harry and at last I now know Evies name as she spoke more last night but they both have coasted along and don't deserve to win.

laclochette · 25/01/2024 10:59

Been trying to game out what would have happened if Ross had declined recruitment, and told everyone.

If he had come into breakfast and said, "The traitors recruited me last night, but I said no" - of course people might not have believed him, but it would have been his story vs Harry's shield feint in terms of giving people an explanation for the fact that there wasn't a murder. If people had believed him, it would also have confirmed he was a Faithful. It's easy to see this as a better option now we know how badly his short reign as Traitor went, but I definitely think there's a case for this having played very well for him.

(Would it also have told all the Faithful that there were actually two traitors left? Not sure on the recruitment rules.)

ismu · 25/01/2024 11:10

I noticed that Andrew flat out lied last night at the round table as mentioned previously, I don't think anyone else has done that before. It's a dangerous thing to do as he has everyone as witnesses so very easy for them to put 2 and 2 together.
I'm not sure that creating lies is a good idea for traitors as it's probably hard to keep track. I think Harry will exploit this to banish Andrew and he's got no defence at all.

NonPlayerCharacter · 25/01/2024 11:12

laclochette · 25/01/2024 10:59

Been trying to game out what would have happened if Ross had declined recruitment, and told everyone.

If he had come into breakfast and said, "The traitors recruited me last night, but I said no" - of course people might not have believed him, but it would have been his story vs Harry's shield feint in terms of giving people an explanation for the fact that there wasn't a murder. If people had believed him, it would also have confirmed he was a Faithful. It's easy to see this as a better option now we know how badly his short reign as Traitor went, but I definitely think there's a case for this having played very well for him.

(Would it also have told all the Faithful that there were actually two traitors left? Not sure on the recruitment rules.)

Risky. They only recruited him because he was ripe for banishment anyway.

I don't know why he didn't go harder on the "Harry can still be a traitor with a shield" thing even when Jasmine and Zack picked it up. It never got mentioned again that we saw. Might be strange editing. But with Jasmine, Zack and Andrew onside (if he'd done that at their elusive meeting), that's half the votes. Persuade Jaz and it's a coup.

crumpet · 25/01/2024 11:14

Alchemistress · 25/01/2024 09:17

Been lurking on these threads for a while, but couldn't let this pass without comment :

Regarding Andrew lying about using the word 'Elusive' - am I wrong in thinking that this is the first time someone has outright lied about something that they have actually said on camera?

I'm not talking about the normal lies Traitors have to make to cover who they are, but I seem to only recall that when someone has been called out at the Round table, the accused has always said ' yes I did say that' and had to defend it.

Because if flat out denying you said something becomes commonplace, the whole thing will descend into anarchy. And isn't really fair, in my view.

Someone lied about whether or not they heard Diane say to Paul that if she does it was due to Miles. Was it Evie? Who at the round table said she’d not heard that but in the room afterwards said that she did.

QueenOfDuisburg · 25/01/2024 11:15

Harry (and Paul) have been great traitors. If we'd had weaker characters who constantly felt bad doing traitor-ish things, or who didn't play up to the role, we'd be complaining about that!

I want Harry to win. He's played the game well.

I do like Jaz too, although have been disappointed that a couple of times he's actually worked things out (to do with Harry and Paul) but hasn't been persuasive enough to get others thinking along his lines. He's also been wrong about others several times too, so sadly I don't think he's quite the potential threat I imagined he was a few episodes ago.