Criminal Record - Apple TV

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Has anyone started watching Criminal Record on Apple TV? I think it’s fairly new out. First couple of episodes seem really good so far and have made me jump twice!

We just finished this - not sure if I missed it but what was the motive for the murder of Adelaide?

@Plutoquest Constellation starts today. It is very gripping.

i love apple stuff. Such high quality.

I’ve enjoyed slow horses, black bird and criminal record. Any others worth watching?

@Turtlerussell

For all mankind
servant
defending Jacob
the bucaneers
Severance
the morning show
shrinking
wecrashed
bad sisters
Dear Edward
the last thing he told me
silo
Hijack
lessons in chemistry
trying
the afterparty
loot
ted lasso
physical
acapulco
The big door prize

all very different genres, all very good!

Ah thank you! 💐

Hmm … Now I feel stupid because I can’t immediately remember - though I’m sure we must have been given that information?

It was a stupendous finale - but so fast moving I’m not sure I caught everything. And the (entirely legitimate) focus on criminal procedure meant I felt a little cheated of a last look at June’s family.

Surely there’ll be a second series? All the cast were so individually and collectively excellent - they need to be given more to do together.

(My abiding feeling from this series is that if I were a script writer I’d want to dedicate my life to working with Tom Moutchi (Errol). He was fabulous.)

Gosh - I have no idea what motive was for Adelaide’s murder…hopefully someone will come along and explain.

I think he was just a nasty piece of work that enjoyed abusing women, may have even been a secret serial killer. There may have been even more victims. He’d had his hair cut by Errol, and maybe he’d stolen a key, then broke in.

Im sure i’ll be corrected if I’ve misremembered that 😬

I've just finished this and thoroughly enjoyed it too. Painful to wait each week but exciting too. Nicely paced - although the last episode was a bit rushed maybe?

I kinda did want to see the fallout with her partner. But I also liked how it ended - loose ends not tied up, still messy, and Peter C sitting in the dark, all alone after all his machinations

I think they’ll be a season 2 after that ending….

I honestly thought it started to lose the plot about half way in , I stuck with it but wouldn't watch a second season.
It was also obviously written with a second season in mind which I think is frustrating

• what was the motivation for the actual killer to murder Patrick's mum (forgot her name) ? it was a bizarre rush job at the end that made no sense.
•I still don't really understand/find it plausible that Errol confessed just based on Heggartys mind games and then never spoke up
• the race element felt a bit laboured sometimes like when her son got stopped and searched and arrested and she spoke to him saying it was different for him etc (which I get) but actually he wasn't randomly stopped because of his ethnicity it was targeted purely because he was her son to get to her.
•what did her boss think she was working on day in day out
•the heroin addict daughter (on its own a bit much) being with Patrick
•Errol's mum randomly rocking up at bent copper's house then getting run over just seemed bizarre/ ridiculous
•why was Heggarty still pals with said bent copper (who also seemed to have got away with man slaughter and trolling his boss)

I don't think there was any great suspense or twists and while I loved CJ I thought Capaldi was borderline farcical as the weathered and scared by life bad guy with a heart.

It bugged me 🥴

the race element felt a bit laboured sometimes like when her son got stopped and searched and arrested and she spoke to him saying it was different for him etc (which I get) but actually he wasn't randomly stopped because of his ethnicity it was targeted purely because he was her son to get to her.

For me that was one of the most brilliant passages in the whole story - as I said above the way she had to utilise a trope to disguise an even more troubling truth meant that, just for once, I felt a scriptwriter had made an effort to do something with viewers’ pre-knowledge of a fact.

what did her boss think she was working on day in day out

But she was officially seconded to Hegarty’s team, no?

I agree the reckless killing of Doris Mathis felt a step too far into melodrama - but at least it was a coherent part of the story. The poor little boy shot in the park - that felt entirely gratuitous.

Unfortunately any second series is unlikely to cover any of this old ground - it would presumably be a fresh plot, just with the two central characters and context. Which would be fine, but frustrating. I do think they tried to cram in too many dramatic elements - but then, if they hadn’t, reviewers would have called it narratively thin, or whatever.

So many questions - what happened to the investigation about her? What happened to June’s mother? Who shot the boy? And why did Ash kill Adelaide?

And why did Ash kill Adelaide?

I may have to go back and rewatch episode 1 (for the phone call) but my interim guess - if he used to go to Errol’s to get his hair cut - is that … she resisted.

He wouldn’t have needed to break in, d’you think, @Turtlerussell? He was someone who was ‘welcomed’ in the flat as a client - maybe even a friend. He would have seen her there, met and spoken to her. All it needed was for him to turn up unexpectedly, (having waited for Errol to be out), inveigle his way in, and then try to charm her … She would have resisted. So ended up dead.

I still don't really understand/find it plausible that Errol confessed just based on Heggartys mind games and then never spoke up

I understand why he didn't speak up, but I agree that the confession wasn't plausible. If I was played a tape of what sounded like my DD saying she'd heard me threaten someone, I wouldn't then think "well, on balance, I probably did murder them then".

I thought it was strange at the end but as well. If I couldn't remember something, but then someone quoted back what I said, I feel I would know if it was something that I would say, if that makes sense?

Like, the cartoon was saying "I'll knock you flat!" But I know I wouldn't phrase something like that, even if I couldn't remember - it's just not my usual speech pattern.

I really enjoyed this but kind of wish it had finished before the last scene where June realises that Patrick was quoting the cartoon, I didn't really feel like it added much?

Whereas for me it was everything, @mrstea301 - because it meant beautiful, lovely Errol was completely exonerated, not just of murder but of domestic abuse too. So I can go on adoring him he’s free to re-build a loving relationship with his stepson. And perhaps now he’s been proved innocent his father will begin to forgive him for the drug induced violence of his youth, because he knows it didn’t lead to Errol becoming a murderer. He was never sure before, so also never sure his wife was doing the right thing - it had broken their relationship. And so grandfather, father and step-son / grandson can all come together as family - when they’d each been isolated before.

It grows!

* Spoilers final episode**

I agree with all the above criticisms. It was messy. June running around hither and thither on her own mission whilst on the job. Confronting Tony which just gave him the heads up to destroy his records and then run Errol's mum over in his haste to get to the dump was very, very clunky.

Does Adelaide's son actually really like Hegarty's daughter or is it part of his looking out for her brief and does she know?
Who was Heagrty's colleague phoning before the hit ? - The Parkhill gang or the top police woman?

My main issue was Errol's amnesia about the night of the murder and how easily he confessed "to spare the boy pain" and didn't repudiate it later. Amnesia - really?? there was no explanation e.g. a consequence of Errol's earlier addiction or a MH issue caused by the addiction.

I think an earlier episode revealed that Adelaide been an escort when younger? If so, would that link back to the Parkhill gang and perhaps Stefan being told to get rid of her? I felt cheated that the Parkhill gang and an informant were just brought seriously into play in the finale unless there is to be a second season with ongoing OCG and top brass shenanigans like LOD.

Didn’t like last scene. I thought the smile didn’t make sense.

Would have been better to show him listening to the tape and looking conflicted.

I will inevitably watch a second season because of Peter Capaldi and Cush Jumbo.

I think because he is an abusive man who didn’t need much of an excuse.

Spoilers ahead )**sorry can't remember if this is a thread allowing spoilers but as the final episode has aired ....

I loved this series . It was one of the best detective series I have watched for a while .if you haven't already watched it the latest series of True Detective with Jodie Foster was excellent as well . Slow in bits also but I would watch Jodie Foster in a paint drying ad and she didn't disappoint .

I think the casting with Cush Jumbo and Peter Capaldi was spot on as they are great actors . I have to say that surprisingly he was one of my least favourite Dr Whos , but probably more to do with the writing than him .

I think at times it was a bit slow , but overall kept my attention .

I was quite perplexed as to why Errol had confessed as that didn't seem to make sense . Whilst I am now on board with it - not 100 per cent convinced . I do think the points that persuaded me are ; he had gone through a very traumatic shock , discovering his partner brutally murdered and would obviously have been concerned for the safety of Patrick , if the killer was still about . He was then involved in a car accident which ended up with both he and Patrick injured . I can't remember if he had concussion or not . He didn't know if Patrick was going to be ok . He was then interviewed / kept at the police station for hours . Then taken back to the grisly scene of the crime - twice . At that point I think , lack of sleep , shock , trauma he did start to doubt himself and he maybe thought he did it and Patrick was safer without him . I think I would like to watch the last episode again as I am sure there are bits I missed / misremembered .

However , why does he continue to doubt himself years later in prison . Is he so worn down by the system , adjusting to prison life and has extreme self doubt as no one is routing for him apart from his amazing mum ?

Loved Zoe Wanamaker and Cathy Tyson in this too .

One other bit that I struggled with was they brushed over June giving the recording to solicitor which ultimately put Carol ??at risk .

I thought Hegarty was such a great character as you kept trying to work out if he was intrinsically good or bad or a bit of both .

The finale was good and I wasn't disappointed as it did keep you guessing and the twist with Patrick at the end was good .

I did think that Patrick had been involved in the car shooting and was gutted as thought that he and Errol wouldn't be reunited in the end .

It has been left as slightly open ended as we do not see Hegarty's response to June's discovery about the cartoon . Was he simply racist ? Racist at that time , but tries to atone for it with helping out Patrick . Does he just use Patrick at the beginning to watch over his daughter but then later gets attached to him ?

Did he genuinely believe that Errol was guilty and just "assisted "with putting the evidence together ? I thought that until the cartoon , because earlier he seemed to struggle with the fact that Errol had no violent past . We are given in the last episode the scene where he interviews Errol's dad and learns that Errol had stabbed him , but some years before . Was that enough to convince him ( Hegarty ) thar Errol was guilty and with the trauma of his wife's death / impact on he and his daughter and the pressures from his bosses that was enough for him to wrap it up ?

Sorry for the ramble - often wished I had been a detective

I think Hegarty’s actions made sense as unconscious bias + not really fit for work following recent trauma of his wife’s death + happy to turn a blind eye when convenient (contrasted with explicit and active racism of his police ‘gang’).

But I thought the final scene undermined that because it implied his actions were intentional.

Very pleased to have found this thread. Enjoyed this series though agree with some of the points raised above. I liked this review