MR BATES VS THE POST OFFICE - mon to thur ITV 9pm - tv pace no spoilers

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Mr Bates vs The Post Office is an ITV drama based on a true story of injustice starring Toby Jones, Julie Hesmondhalgh, WIll Mellor and Monica Dolan.
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Mr Bates vs The Post Office is a hard-hitting ITV1 drama starring Toby Jones, Monica Dolan and Julie Hesmondhalgh among others.

The series details one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in British legal history, where thousands of Post Office sub postmasters and postmistresses were wrongly accused of theft, fraud and false accounting due to a defective IT system.

Mr Bates vs The Post Office follows Alan Bates (Toby Jones), a sub postmaster who decided to fight back against a scandalous miscarriage of justice.

He was one of thousands of sub postmasters and postmistresses who between 2000 and 2013 were falsely accused of theft due to financial discrepancies thrown up by the flawed Horizon computerised accounting system.

More than 700 were prosecuted and several went to prison while others lost their homes and life savings trying to pay back the money the Post Office claimed was missing.

Many were unfairly ostracised from their communities, who believed they were criminals.

In 2009 Alan Bates decided to form the Justice For Subpostmasters Alliance (https://www.jfsa.org.uk/), uniting thousands of his colleagues to
fight to clear their names.

From what I R.E.M. only one we saw - the man who stepped in front of the lorry /bus

But gets mentioned think 4 took their own lives in court so didn't see justice

It may have already been said but just heard on the news that the Met Police are now investigating .

There’s an online petition to get Paula stripped of Cbe

Don't hold your breath. They've been investigating two Fujitsu employees (Gareth Jenkins and Anne Chambers) for perjury for nearly 4 years. They've both been interviewed under caution, but neither has been arrested and no charges yet. It would be good if this drama, the inquiry and the tapes that it is reported the inquiry have put a rocket under the investigation and finally lead to people being charged.

It was top item on the News so maybe something's changed . They mentioned fraud .

Going to watch the documentary later , not had time to catch it yet .

You need to consider were they pressured or did they feel pressured to provide witness statements that the Horizon system was 'working properly' to support sub postmasters prosecutions at the time. They now want to do the right thing and tell the truth and are probably going to be the scapegoats for Corporate failure and greed. I doubt any leadership at the time will face accountability. Michael Keegan got an apology from the Times: 'While he accepted that he had been given the title of UK “Chairman” for Fujitsu, he said that he did not have “line management responsibility” for the Post Office'.
www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=01951-22

Absolutely.

On the information we have, Anne Chambers (who gave evidence in Lee Castleton's case) appears to be seriously out of her depth and totally unsuited for her role in Fujitsu. I have some sympathy for her.

Post Office solicitors appear to have seriously misled Gareth Jenkins regarding his duties as an expert witness. Indeed, although they presented him to the courts as an expert witness, that isn't how they dealt with him at all. However, he does appear to have given answers under cross examination in court that he knew were untrue.

I hope senior managers, including Vennells and van den Bogerd, will be held to account, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

As an aside, I note that Angela van den Bogerd appears to have removed her LinkedIn profile this week. It was definitely there on Monday, but it is no longer available. It still shows up in Google searches, but clicking on the link takes you to a "this page does not exist" page.

She's in the doc as well I think, talking about the after effects of the ECT treatment she had. Which she hadof course as a result of the depression brought on by the Post Office evil mind games.

She has lost swathes of her long term memories.

My understanding is that ECT is a last resort in endogenous depression - depression with "no cause" (though I strongly suspect there is always a cause)

But this is clearly reactive depression - a normal response to stressful life circumstances - or rather, hellish life circumstances. Which leads me to conclude that her MH Trust has compounded the damage inflicted by the PO, by administering a treatment that should never have been used, with horrendous consequences.

That’s interesting and horrific about when ECT is used. I couldn’t watch those scenes. I was shocked when on the real story she explained she had 14 treatments of ECT and had lost memories of her childhood.

Agree that the cause was her treatment by the post office.

I think Alan Bates has saved innumerable lives.

I used to work in older adults mental health & there were two women on the psychiatric ward that had ECT. In both cases it was basically a last resort when no other treatment had worked & they were severely depressed. It actually really challenged my ideas about ECT as I had previously thought it was barbaric but in these cases it did actually work. This was around 10 years ago. But I agree that it should be a last resort & doesn’t seem appropriate for a reactive depression.

I had a friend back in the 1970s whose depression was helped by ECT.
But I also suspect the very threat of it may cause people to find they can put on a very convincing pretence of getting better to avoid such a terrifying treatment.

I also had an uncle by marriage, whose deep depression, caused by his wife's repeated miscarriages, was "cured" by a lobotomy. Well, it did stop him being depressed And another relative, whose breakdown (actually seems to have been post-natal depression) was treated by the latest 1950s treatment - insulin therapy - being put in an insulin coma. Look it up. I am very about them receiving this.

Sorry, have slightly derailed the thread.

My grandfather had ECT in the late 1950s. He had a breakdown and was severely depressed. I think it was prescribed where everything else had been tried, as a last resort.

Is the documentary on Itv X?

Yes - think it’s called Mr Bates v the post office the real story. Really good watch. Is good the right word? You know what I mean.
my husband had ect 20 years ago and again 10 years ago. Fucked up his short term memory and didn’t make any difference to him 🤷🏽‍♀️

Yes it is on itv x

I've just looked up the insulin coma therapy - it's barbaric!

Wow.

In the 5 years since the SPMs won in court the police have apparently done nothing other than getting nowhere investigating two relative minnows in the scandal.

And now because of a TV SHOW they are saying they are going to do something.
Agree with pp no one should hold their breath.

What have they been doing these past 5 years? Investigating burglaries? Not so much. Stopping knife crime? Again - and very sadly - no.

So what are they up to? Could it be they're huddled over their laptops looking for alleged incorrect use of pronouns?

If so let's hope no large foreign computer firms have access to the data in the Police National Computer. But of course that could never happen.

Aren't our police wonderful?

Answers on a postcard (showing my age) to the Home Secretary.

Just a brilliant series. So powerful. I have followed this case so I knew the outcome. One key thing that stuck with me was a comment I think Jo makes - how on earth did the Post Office think they had employed so many criminals? I hope they are all fully compensated - and then some. The way the discrepancy doubled in front of Jo’s eyes…

It is used for treatment resistant depression and also sometimes to alleviate suffering when people are extremely low/suicidal as it works much more quickly than other types of treatment. If you were really suffering you might not want to wait for months to get better.

@Hurrydash .Those were my thoughts exactly. Unbelievable

@Shimmyshimmycocobop, yes exactly, one of the women was a nun & had developed a psychotic depression that meant she thought all the food & drink on the ward had been contaminated. She became absolutely terrified of everything & was just wasting away 😔.

And now because of a TV SHOW they are saying they are going to do something

When my HA fuck up and keep fucking up its only when tenants resort to Twitter that anything starts to happen (sometimes not even then) and ive heard these referred to as "social media emergencies"

I bet similar is being said by certain authorities about the PO scandal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11986419/MPs-blast-decision-emergency-alerts-contract-firm-Post-Office-Horizon-scandal.html