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This is Big Brother. Please swear as much as you like here

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TellingBone · 08/10/2023 09:59

Launch show tonight 9:00pm on ITV1, ITV2 and ITVX. I understand that housemates actually entered the house last night and that part was recorded.

Broadcasts will be at the same time nightly, followed six nights per week by Late and Live, and then a live stream after that on ITVX.

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RedToothBrush · 09/10/2023 09:59

CowboysAndCowgirls · 09/10/2023 08:30

You could go with that very simplistic view of 'what's the problem?', it's 'just' a 'reality' tv show and so what if there's a man trying to present as a woman on it.

Or you could see it as things like this mean trans ideology and gender is being presented as fact, that it's bring normalised that men can become women etc.... and that's quite problematic for a number of reasons...for women and children especially in terms of safety, privacy, dignity and fairness in women's safe spaces and sports. Let's not pretend there's not huge issues.

It's probably best not to turn a thread in the telly section of mumsnet into a discussion on the issues of trans ideology but if people keep trying to pass this off as not being an issue, others will respond as to why it is.

Quite.

I'm trying to actively avoid doing that tbh.

One issue is that is IS going to be a 'thing' whether people like it or not. Just because you don't talk or allow conversations about the elephant in the room doesn't stop the elephant being there. People know and yes I do think it matters. Its something worthy of respect without being forced on everyone else though and thats where its an issue for me.

What you here have is an 18 year old in that position - who potentially is being set up to make or point or may well demonstrate exactly the opposite to a lot of people. Its a hell of a lot to put on an 18 year old. Get it right and its huge. Get it wrong and its huge. I actually think people should be thinking about duty of care implications more.

Hallie's intro VT troubled me. It was in your face and confrontational in a way that the others aren't. Only the Tory Guy and Ultra Leftie seems to have anything similar and it wasn't quite like this in tone. I know its hammed up but this is also the way the series want to caricature them.

This is the text:
Hi I'm Hallie. I'm 18. I'm a youth worker, and repping South London. My mouth does get me into trouble sometimes because I have a habit of not thinking before speaking. People would say that I'm just a lovely person, but I can be a raging bitch on wheels at times. I bark at men when they catcall me because your acting like a dog, so you'll get treated like one. [barks]. Going into the Big Brother House, at such a young age, I just hope people don't treat me like a baby. Because if I'm being talked to like a child, I really won't like it. [flips a middle finger]. So check yourself before you wreck yourself.

The confrontational stuff here is a worry - some of which I won't go into here but I've talked about before on MN.

For me, I don't really want a repeat of BB5 which was the year of Fight Night. It ended up turning into the Nadia Show after that. Nadia's behaviour in that was dreadful but the producers did a lot of 'protecting' and then changing the rules to keep Nadia in and give a more favourable edit than for others to 'tell the right story'. It did a lot of good, but it was also a different time and the entire subject is a lot more heated now to say the least. If thats attempted, it may well backfire anyway. Also Nadia was 27 at the time, not 18 and it was still not an easy thing to do with the publicity coming out of the house. It all went south at a later point. For the 2010 ultimate series, Nadia complained to Ofcom about editing of an argument with Coolio but it when the footage was released it was found that Nadia's behaviour was actually much worse than the edit.

So you've already got this fairly confrontational 18 year old, in a pressure cooker environment with a whole political storm on the subject very much being topical and 'duty of care' issues within reality tv (and TV generally) being very topical too. And the extra publicity surrounding 'the return of BB' which hasn't been around for a number of years and was much loved. For me, I just feel, the temptation of the producers is going to be to do a favourable edit at the expense of others for a whole host of reasons.

And honestly, thats what really killed BB in the first place and I wonder how viewers will see it because there is this awareness and scrutiny going on and I'm not convinced they want to see this on BB. They know it happens but part of the BB thing is the exact oppose desire to see 'the real person' and traditionally viewers have switched off at overmanipulation.

Its kind of a massive groan for me for the whole series. . All this desire to be as diverse as possible, again isn't necessarily going to work. Viewers want to see great characters, and don't really care about that as long as they have good characters. I really hope they've balanced it well and aren't relied too heavily on the tick boxes for entertainment value. Whats interesting is how well the first series of Traitors has gone down for not having too many confrontational contestants and instead seeing more of people actually getting along - as well as the conflict related aspects of the game.

I dunno. It troubles me. I don't want to watch a game show with the potential for a total car crash. I just want to watch a game show.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/10/2023 10:04

It's all very '80s Top of the Pops'. I hope it gets better.

sashagabadon · 09/10/2023 10:20

The styling of the house looks like a children’s nursery. You could imagine a ball pit and slide in the corner and the party games like pass the parcel were strange. Very infantile imo.
I also don’t want to watch a car crash and arguing. It’s not fair for n the contestants and is unpleasant for the viewers too.

AbsolutelyFemale · 09/10/2023 10:30

India Willoughby was a terrible horrible person in Celebrity BB and they changed the rules there so there was no booing on eviction just to protect him. Never seen an unpopular women protected like that.

I think it's the pretence that's the problem. Pretending this kid isn't transgender. Just own it and be proud of it.

Figgygal · 09/10/2023 10:36

Hi all
Just caught up and enjoyed it definitely pleased it's not full of love Island clones as others have said.
I was studying psychology at uni when bb first arrived it was like lightning in a bottle that first year, the next few years were great too but definitely a case of diminishing returns.

Can anyone enlighten me as to how its being broadcast? Every night? Is there a live stream?
With strictly and bake off am feeling a bit reality telly burnout but will try keep up.

Hope they calm down the bb interventions and challenges just let them get to know each other please.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/10/2023 10:38

sashagabadon · 09/10/2023 10:20

The styling of the house looks like a children’s nursery. You could imagine a ball pit and slide in the corner and the party games like pass the parcel were strange. Very infantile imo.
I also don’t want to watch a car crash and arguing. It’s not fair for n the contestants and is unpleasant for the viewers too.

I thought the most promising BB series was the one where they brought Helen back, before they brought her back. The contestants were all normal and getting on quite well. It was really interesting to see relationships developing and I was intrigued to see where they'd go. Then they evicted them all and brought in the howling banshee. Such a shame.

Figgygal · 09/10/2023 10:39

In terms of Hallie I had no idea on the VT or when she was outside but minute she went in the house and Farida clocked her I was like oh that dress is not flattering everyone going to question if she's trans ......how slow was I

slowsundays · 09/10/2023 10:49

Hoping this is going to be like old school BB. It's nice for it not to be full of influencers but we'll have to wait to see everyone's characters and personalities emerge.

35965a · 09/10/2023 10:56

So far dislike Olivia, Henry & Hallie. Just get bad vibes from them but it’s early days.
So far like Yinrun, Jenkin, Farida & Noky. They seem decent, but again, early days!

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2023 11:00

AbsolutelyFemale · 09/10/2023 10:30

India Willoughby was a terrible horrible person in Celebrity BB and they changed the rules there so there was no booing on eviction just to protect him. Never seen an unpopular women protected like that.

I think it's the pretence that's the problem. Pretending this kid isn't transgender. Just own it and be proud of it.

Quite.

If you want to be trans, that's fine.

But don't say you are a woman and expect everyone to go along with it when it's obvious you are not. And it's not just the physical stuff either.

StoorieHoose · 09/10/2023 11:30

I'm liking Jordan so far, he has an air of Jarvis Cocker about him. Olivia is filling the role of annoying Scottish person just the same as Lynne did in BB3. Jenkin is looking like a plant - there wasn't even any clothes in his suitcase when they blew it up so ...

JaneJeffer · 09/10/2023 11:32

he has an air of Jarvis Cocker about him
I thought the same Grin

BeverleyMacker · 09/10/2023 11:39

I'm liking all of the housemates so far. Yes there's a lot of diversity but they all have character which is the main thing. Loving the Muslim lady. She seems very caring. Glad it's not love island mark 2.

CowboysAndCowgirls · 09/10/2023 11:42

@RedToothBrush

Yes, I found myself nodding along to your post.

I'd definitely be described as GC but I feel very sad for Hallie, and other young people especially, struggling with identity issues. Hallie is a victim of our messed up society with its misogyny and stereotypes and any real lack of acceptance for people's differences. Deciding you're trans really is the opposite of accepting who you are and others accepting you.

A vulnerable 18 year old is being thrust into the spotlight and fame and it has the potential to be disastrous. Hallie is just so young, and regardless of Hallies confident VT, Hallie clearly must be dealing with some very big issues. I think it's really irresponsible casting and I'm surprised they've done it with the bad press that reality tv shows have had about exploiting people in recent years.

Aquarius1234 · 09/10/2023 11:49

Figgygal · 09/10/2023 10:36

Hi all
Just caught up and enjoyed it definitely pleased it's not full of love Island clones as others have said.
I was studying psychology at uni when bb first arrived it was like lightning in a bottle that first year, the next few years were great too but definitely a case of diminishing returns.

Can anyone enlighten me as to how its being broadcast? Every night? Is there a live stream?
With strictly and bake off am feeling a bit reality telly burnout but will try keep up.

Hope they calm down the bb interventions and challenges just let them get to know each other please.

Sunday to Friday 9pm live feed 11pm ITVX
Saturday 9pm till 2am live feed ITVX

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/10/2023 11:59

Is Hallie definitely trans then? I have a colleague who looks very much like her, same height, same built, but 100% xx chromosomes so I'm struggling to see it (also have autistic face blindness which doesn't help).

abigailsnan · 09/10/2023 11:59

The first Housemate was really OTT screaming like a 5yr old child then into a sulk after he was chosen to loose hot water for 24hrs what a fool.
AJ looked fab in that suit not a lump or bump in sight.

JaneJeffer · 09/10/2023 12:01

It took me forever to notice that <consults photo> Dylan was missing his lower leg.

Oysterbabe · 09/10/2023 12:07

MrTiddlesTheCat · 09/10/2023 11:59

Is Hallie definitely trans then? I have a colleague who looks very much like her, same height, same built, but 100% xx chromosomes so I'm struggling to see it (also have autistic face blindness which doesn't help).

Yes.
Someone found a news story about her when she was a 13 year old boy.

HurdyGurdy19 · 09/10/2023 12:27

Just found this thread :) .

Jenkin, when he first went in, and was prancing around, shrieking and being OTT, reminded me of Jeremy, who was on an airport reality show. He was an air steward. I thought Jenkin looked like him.

Personality-wise, he reminded me of Marco BB5 (fight night series). He was in with the self-proclaimed "Lip Gloss Bitches" and used to prance around shrieking "draaaaaaama". Same OTT behaviour.

I don't judge HMs on the first night, or their VTs, but give them a few days to settle in and calm down. Then the judging begins :D

However, I thought Olivia did herself no favours, sulking over being named by Jenkin (although I could happily have throat-punched him for that "haven't gelled" comment). Assuming it was random, and that he's not a plant, then Olivia should understand that if the music had stopped when she was holding the parcel, she would have had to name someone, and would likely have had no firm reason for choosing someone.

LoopyLoo1991 · 09/10/2023 12:35

Chanelle is my favourite so far.

Olivia may be annoying but has the potential to be fun to watch if she doesn't irritate too many people.
Remember Nikki Graham wasn't terribly well received in her first few days either.

Soontobe60 · 09/10/2023 12:35

Californiabound · 09/10/2023 03:26

It's pretty obvious that people do take exception to trans people being included as if "normal" this person hasn't done or said anything to attract ire. You can't bleat on about "men can wear whatever they want, or present how they want" then immediately go on the attack when someone is gnc. Also the whole "muh diversity" shit, seriously have seen better takes on davidicke.com.

Edited

Not one person here has ‘taken exception’ to a transwoman appearing on BB. It would have been more of a talking point if they hadn’t included a trans person tbh.
However, the whole ‘I’m a girl’s girl’ nonsense, along with the compelled speech that housemates will be required to use IS an issue. If Hallie is claiming to be a ‘girl’ and is dressed like a young woman might dress on a night out, he isn't being GNC. Being GNC would mean that he would wear the same outfit but not claim to be a girl.

JaneJeffer · 09/10/2023 12:42

I just hope Halle has a brassiere because that boob clutching gets right on my boobs

AbsolutelyFemale · 09/10/2023 13:10

I just hope he doesn't massage his breasts in the mirror of the ladies toilets in front of everyone as India did. That was all very creepy and strange.

I am sure everybody in the house is now pretending that they don't know he is transgender and there will be this amazed reveal. So that they can pretend that no one ever notices or is bothered by it. Whereas the reality is that nobody dares say anything like the emperor's new clothes.

JaneJeffer · 09/10/2023 13:12

Yeah just for once I'd like everyone to say WE KNOW