Nicola Bulley Ch 5 9pm tonight

[Wilma55]

Couldn't see a thread on this....

Unless the police, who actually attended that incident, knew what the incident was about. If they did know what it was about maybe, just maybe, that’s influenced their thinking from the start. If they attended a domestic violence incident does everyone not think they’d have been less inclined to believe she fell, or willingly, entered the river?

also, for everyone saying they should do forensics on the bench consider how many people sit on that bench over the course of a few days. I’m sure if it was covered in blood they might have thought differently but otherwise they’d just be pulling a load of dna samples of random people that may have sat on it at any time.

A friend of mine said this might make people think more about the effects of the menopause. I think the opposite. It will encourage people (men) to dismiss women struggling as unstable or hysterical.

The police shouldn't have released such personal information. If she DID end up in the water it may well have been pure accident - maybe losing her footing trying to catch her dog - but if she is subsequently found drowned the assumption will be she was responsible because 'menopausal'.
And if the police really have disregarded the possibly of assault/abduction partly because she is menopausal & struggling, that's unconscionable.

I think the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. It's very sad that they have to had to release this information but I can see why they have had to. The amount of online speculation and finger pointing and armchair detectives - it's not only hurtful but also dangerous. Unfortunately this information absolutely does change the perspective of this investigation. And I don't agree its mysoganistic - the menopause can cause extreme changes in personality and mood and perspective. That's just a fact. Alcohol abuse too - not even talking just when someone is drunk. I have a family member who is a recovering alcoholic. Am very close to them. We've had years of hell with it and it's caused extreme lapses in judgment - when sober they have felt a failure for all the hurt they have caused and I know they have felt that it might be better for everyone if they weren't there.
I'm not saying this has happened to Nicola. Who knows what has happened. But the probability of a third party is much, much smaller and smaller still with this information. It is extremely relevant. Of course keep on open mind but I think people are being extremely unfair on the police and the family.
For those people saying she wouldn't take her dog if she was suicidal or wanting to run away. It doesn't work like that. A local woman, devoted mum of two, took her life a few years ago. We were all stunned. None but those close to her knew she had been suffering from depression. But even her family were shocked as she seemed to be going through a good patch. A psychologist described it as a sudden tunnel of madness - which you just can't see clearly from. Something triggered her and she took her life. It's almost impossible to fathom from the outside.

I'm not saying any of this happened but I think we all need to stop speculating and finger pointing and let the police do their job.

But the police ARE looking at all possibilities. They've searched the land extensively, interviewed over 300 people, looked at hundreds of different dashcam videos.
And of course they should take someone's mental state in to consideration if they go missing! If someone was suffering with mental health problems and had significant alcohol problems resulting in the police being called to their house then OF COURSE this should be considered. It would be absolute madness to ignore the fact that Nicola had been suffering from mental health and alcohol problems before she went missing.

I just can’t put my finger on why this all feels so strange, right from the start, the massive coverage..all of it 🤷🏻‍♀️

"Unfortunately this information absolutely does change the perspective of this investigation. And I don't agree its mysoganistic - the menopause can cause extreme changes in personality and mood and perspective. That's just a fact. Alcohol abuse too - not even talking just when someone is drunk."

No one is disputing that menopause and/or alcoholism has an effect on one's mood and perspective. The issue here is that this information has clearly driven the primary line of investigation and that is why police said right off the bat they believe shes in the river. Well two weeks later they haven't found her and there is ZERO evidence of her being in the river. And other lines of (criminal) investigation have surely been compromised by now, and the police are stuck.

So what do they do? They announce she's an alcoholic and on the change. THIS is why we're pissed off. They haven't shared this information to help investigations, there are no additional appeals based on this info. It's simply, "oh FYI that woman we can't find was a drunk and menopausal, so if we don't find her, that's why, nothing to see here"

^^

A point well made. I just feel for her family right now.

I thought she made arrangements to take the kids on a play date? If she was suicidal why was she making plans for the future? Also, if she was planning to off herself that morning why did she make the effort to listen in on a work call? Seems quite odd.

I presume she could have walked up further and then potentially gone into the deeper/faster flowing section of the river. Police presence along with HCPs in attendance usually means an active mental health crisis and quite a significant one at that. Even when you ARE in crisis, it is particularly hard to get any sort of welfare check. If you are suicidal these days and you do ring the crisis team first and foremost they usually tell you to have "a nice bath". They just have not got the resources, so yes this IS relevant to the case and it would certainly influence their first line of enquiry. The fact is, they have exhausted a LOT of avenues. They haven't just dismissed this under the guise of "crazy lady".

This.
What was wrong with the police saying they were concerned for her safety as they believed she could be vulnerable? This seems like a huge violation of her privacy.

What does this even mean?

I think she is ok. Thank god

@containsnuts

When people have suicidal ideation they "play" with the thought of suicide quite often. It is often a form of severe rumination. Thinking about it, planning it. Usually it is done quite impulsively. Planning things for the future does not rule that out. Particularly if you are trying to get well.

The police have 40 officers working on the case, have checked out 100s of lines of enquiry.
Massive appeals, yet nobody has saw anything.

She's far more likely to be in the river than for someone to have abducted her without anyone seeing anything or hearing her scream or the dog attacking or the dog barking.

The issue with the river theory is its a bit like Nessy, you can't ever prove she isn't in the river. Just because you can't find her doesn't mean she's not there.

I think the lack of clues and distress etc indicates that she left the scene willingly

Depression and alcohol problems very often co-exist.

Saying that she had problems with alcohol doesn't imply that she was thought to be drunk at the time of her disappearance.

But if a welfare call, involving two emergency services (police and health), was made so recently, then things were clearly all far from well in Nicola's household.

Well I totally disagree. Your comment is not comparable in any way. Being menopausal and enjoying a drink are a million miles away from having "significant issues with alcohol" related to the menopause. You're also conveniently ignoring the fact that police and health professionals recently attended their address due to concerns for her welfare - an incident that remains under investigation. So no, I don't think that menopausal women who enjoy a drink need to worry too much about being "written off".

What report? Stop inventing a narrative that was not used by the police today, whatever report you've now heard.

They didn't specify the nature of the risk or vulnerabilities.

It's mad posters here (and maybe commentary elsewhere) that is taking about menopausal symptoms and alcoholism.

I feel very sorry for the police. They are only giving this extra information thanks to the multiple amateur sleuths that invented batshit theories & have plagued them. They undoubtedly know much more.

But how/why is the police and health authorities being called to her house still ‘Under investigation?’ I don’t understand this

If it was impulsive would she have been able to 'dissappear' like she did not being seen and avoiding all the cctv? Just doesn't add up to me.

The welfare check and background certainly explains why the police didn't just treat it with the way they'd normally treat a missing person enquiry.

Almost makes you wonder if they have suspected her partner of foul play. Maybe they still do and are looking for other bits of that puzzle. I say thinking out loud.

The police don't have to follow-up on all lines of speculation by randoms on the internet.

@Sugarfree23

Your speculation is awful. MNHQ have specifically asked for this not to happen - I've reported your post.