Traitors USA - bingewatchers' thread to discuss the final: There Be Spoilers!

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Have just finished and she smashed it.
Very good.
It shows how it is meant to be.
but
in this case, it did feel more bitter-sweet for the winner.
She did good. I was surprised she didn't have to say why she hadn't ended it though i.e. You were the only one who voted for.... We all voted for ....
Instead, everyone looked non-plussed and .... bowed out. It could have gone the other way tbf
But the endgame was brill.
I will use names at some point, just checking no one comes on the wrong thread first!

I think she played a good game, but I cannot understand why the two left didn't stop and think huh?!'

That was dumb, and therefore they deserved to lose. I felt very sorry for one of them though.

I was really surprised none of them questioned things right at the end. I thought at least one of them would have had at least some doubts by then. She did play an excellent game though so absolutely deserved the win.

That last episode was bloody brilliant!

They were SO trusting though. Can’t believe Arie pulled out!!

Quentin gave Cirie a weird look plus there was the huge U-turn between her talking about Kate's ring of truth then binning her the next night.
It does look suss if one player chooses to keep playing. Arie should have just looked gobsmacked and turned the tables: How can I be a traitor when I just voted to end the game? with an innocent face rather than throwing in the towel.
Perhaps it was in response to her saying she didn't think another player deserved it.
Quentin was a political analyst acc to wiki - thought he might be more astute.

It is a weird show to end on though - should be a high note but it ends with a bitter aftertaste as you see the exact moment a contestant's heart breaks into a thousand pieces.
Without Kieron giving it away, I suspect this is how the UK one was meant to go - with Hannah looking heartbroken while Will took the lot.
Isn't it more usual odds-wise in Mafia/Werewolf that the faithful lose?

Why did Arie bow out? Why didn’t they go to a vote and he could have least tried to survive that round, or shine truth?

or did he not have the desire to back stab?

the show was the worse for not have ordinary people and a range of ages and abilities.

it was also far too similar.

And AC wa ludicrous, but it might okay well to a US audience.

*play well

A traitor would chose to end the game, as they would then win. A faithful would be more likely to banish again to get rid of any traitors who could take the prize fund.

Apparently Ariel is already a millionaire so the prize money didn't mean much to him. Plus, he knew the other two would never banish Cerie.

But him bowing out didn’t give the other two a chance - they could not win.

him being voted out - and him voting for Cirie - may have given them pause for thought.

mind you, Cirie played a blinder and is a worthy winner, but I was heartbroken for Andie in particular, she looked broken.

I wonder why they kept giving Arie the shield (let’s be honest all the boxes are empty until the person they want to have it goes in)

I thought there would have been more questioning amongst the faithfuls when Stephanie got murdered as she was in an armoury group. From that I think they could have worked out Arie was a traitor if they thought about it more

There were a few differences like no returning players, no crossing the bridge blindfolded task, staying in the castle overnight rather than elsewhere but it was pretty much the same show and not as good as the UK one. That’s because of the players. I hope the BBC don’t go down the “celebrity” route

I agree. I think it works better without having a load of reality TV stars. I found it weird that they only chose the reality TV stars as traitors as well rather than any of the ordinary contestants.

I enjoyed it up to a point - the celeb part of it spoiled it for me really.

Although hadn't heard of most of them (it was more about their reasons for doing the show and that they were probably being paid to appear)

I "knew" Brandi from RHOBH and slightly "knew" Kate from watching a few of below deck

The problem was I think that they didn't want or need the money although I was impressed with Brandi and her way of working things out etc

I felt the producers wanted Kate to be kept in for ratings or to justify the fees they had paid her - it seemed fake especially after the barrel task when she basically threw money away

I somehow expected the winner to own up or to share the money with the other 2 afterwards (I guess cos of Wilf) - which I realise is totally stupid as they had only known them a few weeks BUT they did play a great game of being a TRAITOR so from that pov they deserved to win

I preferred the UK one due to them really working together also the different ages and backgrounds etc

I really hope they keep it to "normal" people not ex love island or ex towie etc contestants although as everyone will have seen it before they will not be as good as the 1st series

I preferred CW to AC however I think it is quite funny that the USA will think all Scots dress like him and the other bloke with the beard

They did have amazing weather which is good for the Scottish Tourist Board 🙂🙂🙂🙂

Anyone know why Amanda left part way through? All very vague. Although it was probably something as simple as a positive covid test

And yes to the weather. The scenery looked spectacular. If that castle are not going to start “Traitor weekends” like a murder mystery weekend then they are missing a trick 😂

Thanks for the thread!

I enjoyed it but I found Alan Cumming rubbish compared to Claudia - at key moments she really added drama and she also related to the players like they were real people...

Side note that I can't believe his Scottish accent was so awful when HE IS IN FACT SCOTTISH. Bizarre!

I agree that the mix of 'celebs' and normals didn't work great. In the final 4 the faithfuls were normals and the traitors were celebs. If it had been 100% one or the other I think it would have made it more interesting.

Very glad that Cirie won!! She really did play a blinder and obviously really needed the money. But what a weird and downbeat ending... Poor Andie.

(Amanda was the UK Cirie and I wish she'd have won the UK one.)

The other 'mirror' players were Kieran UK vs Arie US - both boring, slihtly nondescript white dudes who got recruited late. In direct comparison I felt like Kieran was such a sore loser, and Arie was so classy - I think it speaks really well of him that he bowed out so as not to take cash from the others who needed it more.

I honestly felt like Cirie played that final moment well, she was just being a good mumma faithful and not trusting the shady guy over her gut instincts... I think Quentin said on camera "wow Cirie you just saved our butts" after Arie confessed. But honestly, it just seemed like Andie and Quentin were exhausted and broken and wanted it to be over more than anything... Felt bad for them.

But also: why were they US team so bad at all the tasks? In the church with the masked congregation, was there one group of 8ish players who couldn't do the task because not one of them knew roman numerals for the paragraph numbers...??

Did the rope bridge task get dropped as genuinely too dangerous!? I thought that ghostly memory game with the swapped out objects was FAR too hard, no wonder they got no money. It was good that in the end game they put the total up to the maximum anyway, they deserved it.

@Womencanlift I wonder why they kept giving Arie the shield (let’s be honest all the boxes are empty until the person they want to have it goes in)

This is an interesting idea but to me it looked like the shield was always in the bottom box and no one chose it until it was the last one left...

It never occurred to me that they would put the shield in the box that the person the producers wanted to win it, was coming in

How does that work with the first one in the room when there are 3 boxes?

Weird that he won it several times though

Not too sure and maybe I am not thinking it through. I just remember thinking it in the UK one too. Want to go back and see if it’s always the last person in that wins as that’s the easiest way to “fix” it

I also don’t understand why they didn’t question her suddenly spotting a traitor when they kept getting faithfuls out throughout the game.

also, the way she said ‘that person hasn’t worked hard enough to deserve part of the prize’. That was such a slip on her part and a weak argument. Why on earth would she claim that Arie didn’t work to deserve it? He did the same as everyone (in their eyes as thinking he was a faithful).

i realise we see it differently because we know and both Andie and Quentin had blind faith on her, but Quentin even said ‘Cieri just masterfully pinpointed a traitor’ and when she hugged Andie, she said ‘I love you, just know that, ok?’

maybe if they had been given like an hour to talk, they would have come to a different conclusion.

anyhow, we’ll played Cirie and Arie was a class act.

It's also strange they thought all three of the traitors were white men. There was bound to be a female traitor.

It was interesting to compare the two shows.

The UK contestant were so much better at working together ( didn't have personalities to maintain) and, dare I say it, cames across as much brighter.

I did wonder if the US version was filmed first (so the UK version then got production tweaks to make the tasks better).

It looked colder in the US one and the trees had less leaves but got greener I thought, so I wondered if the US filmed in early spring and the UK late spring early summer as both still had snow in the helicopter shots.

Well Cirie stitched Arie up like a kipper! It was quite a downer to end on given how broken the other contestants looked. Quentin was just laughably wrong throughout, but I liked Andie and felt gutted for her. Cirie did play a blinder but having to screw over people who trusted you must mess you up a bit…