Traitors USA - bingewatchers' thread to discuss the final: There Be Spoilers!

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Have watched it all.
Feel they were a bit too trusting I mean two male traitors was a big red flag of course there was another one.
I think a good twist for future series would be the final banishment you don’t find out of the person you banished was a faithful or a traitor until the game is over. As I feel know folk know how it works no one is go want to end the game now until another traitor is banished. I don’t think the producers would let a bunch of faithful be the only ones in the final as there’s no tension for the audience.

@Lincolnforever I did wonder if the US version was filmed first (so the UK version then got production tweaks to make the tasks better).

This article says "the American version was filmed at the same Scottish location before the British show was shot" www.nytimes.com/2023/01/12/arts/television/the-traitors-us-show.html

So you're right - they replaced the tricky "memory ghost object-swap" mission with "impossible rope bridge" mission... They sent the players away to sleep out of the house instead of in it... The US version was the practice run!

That makes sense then - I thought the final challenge was much better in the UK one as they kept the whole team together.

You can tell they learned a lot from doing from the us one - like adding in the drama from the get go with the shock send home.

I'd seen Cirie in Survivor so knew she would screw her fellow traitors. Had no-one on the show seen her in Survivor??! Surprises me as if they had, they'd know her game is to be pretend to be your loyal faithful friend then cut your throat right when you don't see it coming.

@HundredMilesAnHour "if they had, they'd know her game is to be pretend to be your loyal faithful friend then cut your throat right when you don't see it coming."

I mean, that's not really HER game - it's THE game, right?

She did it beautifully. And she did cry herself at the end, she wasn't cold hearted at Andie's distress - she was just doing what she had to do to win.

Good for her!

It was very much her MO in Survivor but it failed as the other players in Survivor were much sharper than The US Traitors (bless them!)

She deserved the Traitors win but I didn't fall for the fake crying. For her it was about winning a show and feeling vindicated after failing to win FOUR seasons of Survivor rather than the money for her family I strongly suspect.

@HundredMilesAnHour "It was very much her MO in Survivor but it failed as the other players in Survivor were much sharper than The US Traitors (bless them!)"

I can totally see what you mean - I haven't seen Survivor (didn't know ANY of the 'celebs' from Adam, in truth!) But in both UK and US versions of the show, all the Traitors (and falsely accused Faithfuls at the round table) could do to win is look everyone in the eye and say: "I promise you I'm not a Traitor".

There is nothing else to be done - there is no other strategy. Literally every player in the UK and US one did that, multiple times. That's the ENTIRE game.

Cirie won because she had most people believe her. I don't think it's fair to specifically say of her that "her game is to be pretend to be your loyal faithful friend then cut your throat right when you don't see it coming" - I think she played the game beautifully, as the situation required of her.

[You can try to get to the final by 'proving your value in the missions', but that's what Rachel did in the cabin of maggots when Andie wanted to give up, Rachel was genuinely fab in horrible circumstances, and she still got banished that night... because that's not how you win.]

I didn’t know who any of the ‘celebs’ were as I haven’t seen any US reality shows (apart from this one!). I don’t think she did anything wrong, it is a game after all, I just know I’d find it hard facing everyone at the end. But I’m sure the 250k would soothe some of that stress!

The thing is, they NEED Traitors in the final. Hence all the recruitment in the UK, and resorting to a forced recruitment

I think I enjoyed it as much as the UK one, for different reasons.

Michael from Kentucky was a hot mess.

I liked Andie a lot as she reminded me of a good friend of mine and she seemed decent, if a bit dull.

I understand why they kept Kate in for so long as a shield but I'd be interested to see what happens in a version where the boring people are voted out first ( I dont logistically know how this would happen!) because in both UK and US shows, if you're dull and 'nice' and bovinely trusting, you make it through to the endgame.

Agreed that Arie was a class act.

Cirie played an absolute blinder. If you watch during most of the traitor meet ups she actually says very little and lets the others ( mostly Christian, to be fair) do the talking and strategising. She's absolutely a very astute observer and was thinking a few steps ahead, which the men weren't.

I quite liked Rachel. I think she had grit.

@LadyOfTheCanyon "I think I enjoyed it as much as the UK one, for different reasons."

Yes, me too!

Kate was by far the funniest - the morning when she was rude to Rachel about her outfit, and her line after voting her off, which was something like: "if it turns out you're a faithful then I'm ok with that because you are awful."

You could see in the UK version that they explicitly said: "this person is too clever, we need to murder them." Fay got murdered the night after she told Wilf that she was writing up notes every night about who voted who at the banishments...

That is a recipe for a final 5 full of nice-but-dims and the traitors!

As a PP said, splitting the group for the final task was rubbish - much less fun to watch and also gave Cirie the time to cement her bonds in the boat, which was a huge advantage over poor Arie who just jumped out of a helicopter despite being terrified of heights! Producers didn't think that through AT ALL.

I wonder what the dynamic between the traitors will be in (hopefully!!), future seasons.

I believe they’ll be much more wary and mistrustful of each other from the beginning than this first time round.

I think the key to get to the final was the same in both shows, two innocent faithfuls that are good friends with a traitor, who keeps them going in order to eventually get all the money.

i enjoyed it a lot and was very pleased by end result (though not andie crying)

Arie i think was great - recognised a good fellow game player so withdrew to give her the win.

i felt in the uk one, Wilf was robbed by Kieron's unsporting like behaviour. Glad to see none of that in the UK version. And i do think using "celebs" - helped.

I liked Cirie, slightly sad she backstabbed Arie at the end.
Wilf "I'm doing this for the youth" was a tosspot and I'm glad he lost.

I loved Traitors, but essentially you end up with the least intelligent, most trusting people in the final. I am embarrassed for the political analyst dude, and Enbie Andie, well I think there's big vulnerabilities there, which Cirie exploited. The game, yes. Ethical, probably not. Was that a scan of a baby Andie was waving about? Is they pregnant? That was weird.

I really preferred the people on the UK version and would have wanted to be a faithful..... on the USA version, I could have easily been a traitor. Although Kate grew on me, she was refreshing.

Lesson though, don't banish those you dislike, banish those you like.

Andie and Quentin were blind! Why didn't they question Cirie's last minute turnaround on Arie - suddenly out of nowhere she found a traitor?!

Loved Arie, he tried to give them a hint by saying he'd been recruited late in the game. If the others had thought more about this it indicated another traitor still in the game.

Also LOVED Alan and his accent.

Worth watching just for the way he said "Du-larrrs"

Loved the UK version - just finished watching this one.

I'm not sure what Allan Cummings' natural Scottish accent is like, but I took it that it was toned down for US broadcast so I'll let him off. After all, they must imagine Scots speak like Scotty in Star Trek. Doh-laarrs. 😁

Agree with PPs that the shield is 'given' to whomever the producers want to get it. Similarly, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Christian's suicidal 'confession' was staged. It could be done by offering a contestant an attractive sum of £/$ on top of their fee to effectively make themselves liable for removal. I came to the same conclusion in the UK version when the hypnotist fella unaccountably stood up at breakfast and revealed the truth. Exit hypnotist. Exit Christian. Hello £10K plus my fee.

As PP pointed out, how come Andie and Quintin didn't notice that Cirie had said the previous night that Kate had the 'ring of truth' in saying she was a faithful? Then proceeded to vote her off the next night. It was a massive giveaway.

Also agree that the UK version was supposed to end like this but for Kieran's massive hint, a move I thought spoiled the whole thing. So it was strange to find myself disappointed that Arie didn't give Cirie away. I'd been actually wanting the traitors to win and share until Cirie backstabbed him. He could have allowed it to go to vote, and to reveal that both he and Cirie were traitors and the other two should vote them both off. Either way he gets no money, but it goes to Andie and Quintin rather than Cirie. I think what turned me from pro-Traitors to pro-faithful for the win was Cirie backstabbing Arie at the end. She could have shared a goodly pot of cash with Arie but was greedy.

It's a great show but now it's been done I fear it will go the way of Big Brother and lose its 'innocence'.

Just finished

I couldnt bear to watch all the challenges. Just fluff between the good bits

Cirie!!! Im amazed. The ending was better than the UK ending. Why Didnt any ever suspect her? I was worried Andie was going to miscarry

Poor Arie! I hope Cirie shares with him

I don't understand the ending though

They banished 2 traitors

Why did they all vote to end the game? Did they think there we're only 2 traitors in the entire game?

Alan's accent toned DOWN?? I assumed it was hyped up to 1000.

At one point it was said there were 3 traitors by Alan to everyone but not mentioned again so not sure why they assumed they'd got them out (must have forgotten)

I don’t think Andie was pregnant, I think it was Andie’s wife that was pregnant.

I remember them saying there were three traitors so they might have thought they got all three - Cody, Christian and Arie - but Arie did say that he was a late recruit. I think Andie and Quentin just weren’t that bright basically. I would have thought you’d need to be a bit more astute to be a political analyst though!

It really just felt to me like Andie and Quentin had had enough and couldn't handle any more drama - they just wanted it to be over...

As well as saying he was a later recruit, Arie also grabbed Andie's shoulder and said 'good luck' as he walked away - which I think was as close to a Kieran back-stab as his nice posh-boy manners would let him go!

If it had been Hannah (UK) not Andie she'd have joined the dots I reckon! But Cirie didn't take Andie and Quentin to the final with her because they were clever and astute, did she? :)

Cirie's slip-ups were the Kate 'ring of truth' flip-flop - EXACTLY what Amanda did to Theo to get voted off, but later on in the game, and without any backstabbers to point it out to everyone (lucky for her); and then saying at the end that Arie 'hadn't done enough to deserve' sharing the money - which ONLY makes sense once you know he's a late-recruit traitor, from a faithful's POV he'd done loads. She was lucky that Andie and Quentin didn't have the energy/capacity to add those up.

But on the whole I really do think she played a great game, don't think she EVER had her name written on a single slate...? Which is pretty incredible when you think about it.

Ingot the impression that Cirie only said to camera about nit deserving?

I am pretty sure that Andie is non binary trans from something I read in their cast description

I did notice that in their pieces to camera, the other contestants referred to Andie as 'they', not her.