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Happy Valley Series 3 - BBC1 9pm starts 1 January 2023 - no spoilers - tv pace

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IwantToRetire · 01/01/2023 20:49

Just thought we could start with a dedicated thread to series three of Happy Valley.

There are 2 existing thread were fans have been discussing rewatching series 1 & 2

www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4694640-happy-valley-series-3-coming

www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4688605-happy-valley-series-3-to-be-shown-at-christmas

And for anyone who is going to binge, do you want to start your own thread?!

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AlmondBake · 08/01/2023 23:47

I think there's something off about Catherine's ex-husband. He's always asking her questions and pushing for information. I don't think there's an incest/abuse angle, but I wonder if he's feeding info to the knezevic's. Either way - don't like him!

He's a journalist and in series 2 Catherine encouraged him to write about the drug business and shine a light on how it works, how it affects different parts of society, who's in charge etc. So I think he's just following on with that.

CuriousMama · 08/01/2023 23:51

“I’ve seen how you draw a cock-and-balls when we play Picture Consequences and it’s nothing like that” 😂😂😂

misunderstoodMilo · 08/01/2023 23:51

OMG I need more episodes. In the last week I rewatched and binged the first two series and remembered how brilliant this is. I’d be binging this series right now if I could. Catherine is the capable but flawed hero we all need.

The final scene in the cafe when she caught Claire out in her lie was thrilling. I hope you are all wrong about Catherine being killed and she gets her happy and long retirement but it would hardly be in the spirit of things. Something about Neil hasn’t sat right with me all along, the betrayal if he is TLR’s Dad - mind blown.

middleager · 08/01/2023 23:52

That was so good. My son walked in the lounge just as the mini mobile message appeared, so thanks for clarifying what it said.
Mind also blown with the Neil theory.

jaicobain · 09/01/2023 00:00

Rob’s 2 little girls are heartbreaking to watch. The quiet older one and then the little one always in her coat, probably for a feeling of security 😢

CuriousMama · 09/01/2023 00:06

Just watching Graham Norton. James is so camp. Couldn't be more different. Shows what a good actor he is.

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ScottishAngryBird · 09/01/2023 00:19

Omg what an episode! When Catherine sat at Claire’s table in the cafe at the end was fabulous viewing! Claire obviously doesn’t believe that TLR raped Becky either, because if she did then why would she take Ryan to see him? Also TLR did beat Catherine up so I don’t get it.

I felt sorry for the pharmacist a little & esp when the PE teachers wife was implying that she would tell the police he was supplying her with valium if he didn’t get her a flat, were those 2 having an affair does anyone think? I think the pharmacist may try and kill her & the PE teacher.

The first episode of S3 didn’t have me gripped like the first episode of the other 2, but I’m gripped now & cannot wait for next weeks viewing!!

JaneJeffer · 09/01/2023 00:21

When Neil was married did he have children?

creamcoffee · 09/01/2023 00:24

loved the school meeting.
catherine squaring up to the pe teacher

i hope the pharmacist goes to the police
i wish the pe teachers wife would confide more in catherine

JaneJeffer · 09/01/2023 00:24

were those 2 having an affair does anyone think?
She asked him if he wanted to go to bed when he went round to her house about the drugs being found.

I wondered whether the younger girl might be his? She has completely different colouring to her sister.

ScottishAngryBird · 09/01/2023 00:24

Believers · 08/01/2023 23:42

I think there's something off about Catherine's ex-husband. He's always asking her questions and pushing for information. I don't think there's an incest/abuse angle, but I wonder if he's feeding info to the knezevic's. Either way - don't like him!

I don't like Neil either, he's loathsome, but I think we may have jumped the gun a bit. Do we know for sure that it was the prison they were visiting? And if it's usually a couple that visits, why did Clare not go this time and just go and sit in the cafe? Could this be something to do with the skydiving? That was in Sheffield wasn't it?

Re Ryan and the recurrence of the "revenge is a dish best served cold" line - maybe he's planning to kill TLR for all the heartache and anguish he's inflicted.

Sarah Lancashire is just brilliant, I remember her as Raquel too!

That “revenge is a dish best served cold” comment that Ryan made, and then Catherine asked where did he hear this, well imo it’s been said to Ryan by TLR! Ryan said he heard it in a film but I don’t believe this.

If TLR got Catherine killed then Ryan would hate him, although TLR would lie & pretend it wasn’t him!

Omg so many possibilities of where this show could go!! It’s been the most exciting thing on TV in forever.

JaneJeffer · 09/01/2023 00:26

We're Neil and Ryan definitely going to the prison? I couldn't make out where they were.

ScottishAngryBird · 09/01/2023 00:27

JaneJeffer · 09/01/2023 00:24

were those 2 having an affair does anyone think?
She asked him if he wanted to go to bed when he went round to her house about the drugs being found.

I wondered whether the younger girl might be his? She has completely different colouring to her sister.

Possibly, I hadn’t thought of this, j actually went off of Jo when she implied she’d tell the police that Fizel the pharmacist was supplying valium, and that he should just get her a flat.

If she killed the teacher husband then she wouldn’t live on ‘fresh air’ as she put it, she could claim benefits, until she went back to work.

Fizel may try to kill Jo and the teacher...

EddieHowesBlackandWhiteArmy · 09/01/2023 00:27

I’m working my way through the thread but is it just me who thinks ‘Ryan’ is the absolute spitting dabs of the actor Joe Gilgun. I even googled to see if they were related but can’t see anything linking them!

WouldJudasLeaveIt · 09/01/2023 00:28

EddieHowesBlackandWhiteArmy · 09/01/2023 00:27

I’m working my way through the thread but is it just me who thinks ‘Ryan’ is the absolute spitting dabs of the actor Joe Gilgun. I even googled to see if they were related but can’t see anything linking them!

Thank you! Was bugging me who he reminded me of.

EddieHowesBlackandWhiteArmy · 09/01/2023 00:40

His facial expressions etc are so similar. They could definitely play different generations of the same character incredibly convincingly.

duc748 · 09/01/2023 00:50

JaneJeffer · 09/01/2023 00:24

were those 2 having an affair does anyone think?
She asked him if he wanted to go to bed when he went round to her house about the drugs being found.

I wondered whether the younger girl might be his? She has completely different colouring to her sister.

I think that's maybe a good shout about the daughter (how long had it been going on between them though?), but I did think for Faisal that however much shit he's in, when this unstable pilled-up woman starts suggesting some Double Indemnity happy ending, that might be the time to say that it might not be the best idea.

JaneJeffer · 09/01/2023 00:55

I think after his chat with the Kneževićs (c&p thanks @AutisticLegoLover!) he will tell her he's going to help but will kill her too and try to make it look like murder/suicide because he thinks PE teacher knows about the drugs

WinnieFosterReads · 09/01/2023 01:05

I think it all comes back to the Kneževićs.
My theory is that the ex husband is genuine and might end up murdered by the Kneževićs because he's trying to write an expose on them.
To thank TLR for not blaming them for the murder, I think the drug gang are blackmailing Neil and that's why him and Claire are taking Ryan to see TLR.
From the very beginning of S1, Catherine has went on about how the drugs gangs have ruined the valley and how the top level police don't care about the devastation. The Kneževićs are going to tear apart her family the same way they have destroyed so many others - murder the ex; give TLR access to Ryan; ruin her relationship with Claire.

IwantToRetire · 09/01/2023 01:07

Well I have to say I wasn't quite as impressed by this episode as the first. The number of coincidences seems too implausible, but not sure the size of the community, so maybe everybody are rubbing shoulders. They even showed Catherine driving past the chemist just as the thugs arrived. So in that she didn't miraculously go into the chemist and instantly recognise them, I think on another visit to Alison somehow their paths will cross.

But back to the start. I think Catherine was so quiet because she was literally gutted. The way she quietly said how could they. I had suggest others who it might be because I didn't want it to be Clare, it is such a betrayal. And I dont think she has been manipulated but I think Neil is so desperate to re-instate himself after loosing his wife and family, he is using Ryan to make himself important in the family that isn't really his. And Clare has just gone along with him, partly because she at last has someone and he flattered her by saying he had always fancied her when they were at school. I think it is likely she doesn't go into the prison, because I dont think she would want to be near TLR. But I find it hard to believe she hasn't unintentionally given away that they are up to something and Catherine would have been wondering what is going on.

I think the idea the Neil is TLR's father is just not plausible. His whole back story was told in series 2, and unless he had somehow had a brief encounter with TLR's mother not likely they would have moved in the same circles. I cant remember when there were scenes with TLR or his mother that anyone talked about a father. Maybe nobody knows.

I did briefly think that unintentionally the Chemist would somehow implicate the teacher and his wife to the thugs, and they would then then just move in and kill them. But obviously that would end that story line a bit quickly.

I am glad they dont show the domestic violence, but the two young girls are so good at showing what it is doing to them. And so sad. I hope in real life this isn't troubling them. It is all too convincing. And the wife's description of her husband targetting young boys so he can then go on to manipulate them is just horrible. I know that you should never say why doesn't she leave, but would she be enduring this and trying to work out ways to kill him. And then discuss it with the chemist?

I dont think there is anything dodgy about Catherine's ex. He is just a struggling journalist, and as others have mentioned, she has already tried to help him in the past. And now he is another one sponging of her, trying to get info instead of doing proper investigation. But yes, I think he may come to harm, as he doesn't seem to have much nous. Or integrity. Dont forget he walked out on Catherine because she took on Ryan. Just another parasite hanging on to her.

I hope Catherine and Claire have a chance to talk before Ryan and Neil re-appear, but I dont see how they can all play happy families after this.

But look forward to whatever dialogue Sally Wainwright has written for the conversation between Catherine and Ryan. I think Ryan may turn out to be like his dad in that even though he has some affection for Catherine he is so sure that his view of the world is right, including somehow thinking it is okay to be in contact with the man who caused his mother's death. Funny that he never has any dialogue about that, but is given lines about wanting to know his father.

They all leech of Catherine, and never seem to think how their behaviour might impact on her. Or only to the extent that they want to avoid getting a slow steady barrage of disdain that she is so good at.

I suspect she is actually very lonely.

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Namechangedforthisonetoday · 09/01/2023 03:00

IwantToRetire · 09/01/2023 01:07

Well I have to say I wasn't quite as impressed by this episode as the first. The number of coincidences seems too implausible, but not sure the size of the community, so maybe everybody are rubbing shoulders. They even showed Catherine driving past the chemist just as the thugs arrived. So in that she didn't miraculously go into the chemist and instantly recognise them, I think on another visit to Alison somehow their paths will cross.

But back to the start. I think Catherine was so quiet because she was literally gutted. The way she quietly said how could they. I had suggest others who it might be because I didn't want it to be Clare, it is such a betrayal. And I dont think she has been manipulated but I think Neil is so desperate to re-instate himself after loosing his wife and family, he is using Ryan to make himself important in the family that isn't really his. And Clare has just gone along with him, partly because she at last has someone and he flattered her by saying he had always fancied her when they were at school. I think it is likely she doesn't go into the prison, because I dont think she would want to be near TLR. But I find it hard to believe she hasn't unintentionally given away that they are up to something and Catherine would have been wondering what is going on.

I think the idea the Neil is TLR's father is just not plausible. His whole back story was told in series 2, and unless he had somehow had a brief encounter with TLR's mother not likely they would have moved in the same circles. I cant remember when there were scenes with TLR or his mother that anyone talked about a father. Maybe nobody knows.

I did briefly think that unintentionally the Chemist would somehow implicate the teacher and his wife to the thugs, and they would then then just move in and kill them. But obviously that would end that story line a bit quickly.

I am glad they dont show the domestic violence, but the two young girls are so good at showing what it is doing to them. And so sad. I hope in real life this isn't troubling them. It is all too convincing. And the wife's description of her husband targetting young boys so he can then go on to manipulate them is just horrible. I know that you should never say why doesn't she leave, but would she be enduring this and trying to work out ways to kill him. And then discuss it with the chemist?

I dont think there is anything dodgy about Catherine's ex. He is just a struggling journalist, and as others have mentioned, she has already tried to help him in the past. And now he is another one sponging of her, trying to get info instead of doing proper investigation. But yes, I think he may come to harm, as he doesn't seem to have much nous. Or integrity. Dont forget he walked out on Catherine because she took on Ryan. Just another parasite hanging on to her.

I hope Catherine and Claire have a chance to talk before Ryan and Neil re-appear, but I dont see how they can all play happy families after this.

But look forward to whatever dialogue Sally Wainwright has written for the conversation between Catherine and Ryan. I think Ryan may turn out to be like his dad in that even though he has some affection for Catherine he is so sure that his view of the world is right, including somehow thinking it is okay to be in contact with the man who caused his mother's death. Funny that he never has any dialogue about that, but is given lines about wanting to know his father.

They all leech of Catherine, and never seem to think how their behaviour might impact on her. Or only to the extent that they want to avoid getting a slow steady barrage of disdain that she is so good at.

I suspect she is actually very lonely.

Such a good well thought out post OP, I agree with so much of it. TLRs Dad is mentioned in series 1 by Mike Taylor I think. He says no one ever knew who TLRs dad was, something like that anyway.

miri1985 · 09/01/2023 03:19

Genuinely gasped when it was revealed Claire had been one of the ones visiting, I was sure she wouldn't be involved. What an awful betrayl. I hope Catherine finding out doesn't send Claire back drinking.

I don't think Neill is TLR's Father. In the tiny text TLR received it talked about a present at Rico's newsagent, I think that the Knezevic's are paying TLR off via Neill bringing drugs into the prison to Tommy.

PuttingDownRoots · 09/01/2023 06:09

I think Neil is being manipulated by someone, blackmail possibly, and maybe Claire trying to protect him.

ScottishAngryBird · 09/01/2023 06:52

I cannot wait to see the scenes between Ryan and TLR now that Ryan is older, how does TLR speak to him? How does Ryan speak to TLR? Do they get on? Is TLR actually likable to Ryan? I’m sure all will be revealed soon.

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