The Traitors BBC1

[JaneJeffer]

Can't see a thread. What is this shite?

Why is it stupid? Wanting to stay out of the firing line is as good a reason for voting as finding traitors. Can't win if you're banished.

I used to love Big Brother in the early days and it sort of reminds me of that. Living together (sort of), paranoia, mind games, the conflict between making friends and competing against each other. I'm loving this series but not sure it has much longevity as the contestants would be a lot more aware and far less invested/emotional in future series.

In terms of the production interference, I'm amazed that contestants aren't thinking along these lines if they see X get the deciding vote multiple times.

But we don't see how many times they film it. Maybe they film every banishment a dozen or so times with every single contestant being given the deciding vote.

Yeah everyone will know who voted for who after the first round of filming but their reactions from the first time will be on camera and they can edit them in accordingly.

Not sure I've explained that very well!!

I say stupidity because they vote with the crowd, rather than following their own gut feelings about someone.

It definitely seems to make you stand out if you vote differently. For example, when Arran was the only one who voted for Imran rather than Nicky like everyone else which has led to Maddy obsessively pursuing him and Wilf as traitors,

But why is that stupid? It keeps them in the game and going against the crowd can mark you out...that's why Maddy has a bullseye on Aaron's back and it can also turn the traitors' eyes to you. Besides, gut feelings can be very wrong. Look how sure they were about several Faithfuls that they banished.

Because it doesn't open up discussion

One person says "it's Arron" then everyone is so happy they've not been named they go with Arron, even if they have valid suspicions about someone else.

But we don't see how many times they film it. Maybe they film every banishment a dozen or so times with every single contestant being given the deciding vote.
Yeah everyone will know who voted for who after the first round of filming but their reactions from the first time will be on camera and they can edit them in accordingly.
Not sure I've explained that very well!!

Actually, that makes sense to me! I'd love to hear from the contestants how it is being filmed. I do feel that we the audience are being manipulated and that it is a deliberate part of the show. But I still don't get the whole Amanda being shocked at Wilf voting for Alyssa but then doing the same herself.

I've caught up with the episode and chat from last night. Before I read the rest of the thread (and there's a few pages!) I just want to state what brilliant tv this is! It looks pretty naff on paper, but the production, participants and host have absolutely nailed it.

Has anyone accused one of the others of being a traitor when around the table but actually voted for someone else?

I don't see how that's stupid. Wanting to stay in the game is as valid as finding a traitor...in the early stages, possibly more so. Opening up discussion could lead to the crosshairs being set on you.

Thom had suspicions about Alyssa but kept them to himself because he thought he could get her onside to keep him on. I don't really see how he could do that...if she's the only one who knows he suspects her, she's got nothing to lose by murdering him. As we know, he got everyone to vote for Ivan.

He did seem very sure on that one. Weirdly, I think that should have been proof he was innocent, getting it that badly wrong, but then I've got the advantage of knowing who the traitors are.

I find the emotional investment of the participants completely understandable. Surely lots of us have had that thing of being part of a one-off group that bond over a shared experience. I've had it on residentials, expeditions, assessment weekends etc. And that was without the thousands of pounds at stake!

Sorry if this has been mentioned, because I am still catching up on a few posts, but I hope Alyssa's ok. I'd love to hear from her if she's on social media.

Amanda is fabulous. It's great to have a reality programme which isn't full of Love Islanders.

If you're a traitor is there an advantage to recruiting a new traitor when another goes? I expect its extra eyes and ears to find out what everyone is saying, but I think Amanda could carry the thing off on her own and bag all the prize money at the end.
Amanda is an estate agent, I would not be believing a single word she said after watching this show 🤣

I don't know if it's stupid or not because if Arron goes and he was a faithful, you've got one less person on your 'side'. I can't remember the original rules, if all the traitors are banished is the prize money split between the remaining faithfuls? In which case focus on getting rid of the traitors (although of course the production team won't let that happen or it would be a very short series). Or alternatively, get rid of some of the faithful first so less people to get a share of the pot and then get rid of the traitors towards the end!

The one thing that I am sure of is that the traitors were deliberately chosen, it wasn't random at all.

Wilf's over the top hysterical crying when Alyssa went was massively giving me the ick.

If you're a traitor is there an advantage to recruiting a new traitor when another goes?

I'm not sure. I think it's a risk. I don't think any 'new' traitor will entirely trust the old traitors, especially after seeing what they did to Alyssa but I guess it depends on whether the new traitor is motivated by the money because I definitely think the traitors have an advantage when it comes to that.

Yes me too. I also thought it made him stand out as overly invested. I don't think he is very good and will crumble soon.

Amanda is an estate agent, I would not be believing a single word she said after watching this show

Maybe that's why she's so good at lying in this!

Yes me too. I also thought it made him stand out as overly invested. I don't think he is very good and will crumble soon.

Yes I agree. I think Amanda screwed up in getting rid of Alyssa rather than him.

It's interesting that it was pretty much the same as Aaron's response to being suspected, though he stayed in the room, but Aaron is a Faithful. Just more proof that it really isn't that easy to tell when someone's lying. If it were, police would almost always get their man and juries would never make a mistake!

I can't remember the original rules, if all the traitors are banished is the prize money split between the remaining faithfuls?

Yes, at the end, if they've found all the traitors then the money is split between the remaining Faithfuls...I'm not sure what happens if more than one traitor is left. So there certainly comes a point where you want the traitors gone. But in the early stages at least, it's probably more important to stay in the game. Even a wrongful banishment narrows the target...

Or perhaps she realised that he'd be easier to manipulate scare than Alyssa?

He was almost banished that night, so he's under suspicion, Maddy is gunning for him and has Amos onside with that, and yes, he doesn't seem good at controlling his emotions even if he is ruthless. In Amanda's place, I'd also have voted Alyssa because I think Wilf is more likely to come undone another way.

Yes, like I say, I think he'd be easier to push over the edge emotionally, it's just whether or not he takes Amanda with him!

The one thing that I am sure of is that the traitors were deliberately chosen, it wasn't random at all.

Oh, definitely. But I'd love to know how the producers made the choice!