The Traitors BBC1

[JaneJeffer]

Can't see a thread. What is this shite?

I think he might have gotten away with this now for a bit. People already kinda looked annoyed with Maddie constantly accusing Wilf and now he can pull the 'I voted for a traitor, I am a faithful!' card. He played it well to save his own skin.

I agree

I LOVE Claudia! She's the perfect host for this

This show is basically the game Among Us. Down to the round table!

Among Us Is basically mafia. It's not a new concept. Just social deduction.

Maddy still chuntering on:
'It still could be 'im, it still could be 'im though..'

I don't think anyone is listening to her now though.

Is it chuntering when she's right?

Not necessarily...one of the guys was shouting that they were recruiting, so she might have refused and then told the others what happened. Are the Faithful aware that the Traitors can recruit if they lose one of their number?

If anyone has any critical thinking skills they'd be asking themselves why Alyssa voted for Wilf after he threw her under a bus.

After so many eliminations there's no point in being personal unless you've just backstabbed a fellow traitor.

Jellykat
Alex deciphering why Wilf wants the money surely thats why theyre all on the programme theoretically!

I think this is an interesting point, I think Alex said this because I don't think they are all there for the money - for Alex and Tom it was more about exposure and boosting their careers. She's not bothered about winning necessarily, more being memorable and stand out. For this reason alone she'll accept the invitation to be a traitor and it could be a risky choice for the other traitors.

In terms of Amanda having the deciding vote, the producers will be manipulating every aspect of the show, it's the way reality TV works. Think of like how on The Apprentice all the 'You're Fired' bits are filmed in a block at the start and then edited in, or there was one series of Geordie Shore where there was a whole other housemate that was edited out in post production!

I wouldn't be surprised if breakfast is filmed out of sequence, that's why they get changed for the challenges.

The shots of the round table, even them casting their vote might not have been from that round table. Maybe they film it loads of times with different people having the deciding vote. The contestants don't get suspicious because they don't know which version is being used. I reckon the whole traitor vs traitor was a big set up to create drama.

This isn't a criticism though, it makes for great TV I do think Wilf payed it wrong when Alyssa went though he should have held it together and been gloating about getting a traitor, crying makes him look really suspicious.

The shield is definitely set up. Both times it's the last person in to find it, and the person who would make the best TV? Yeah.

Ah, but wouldn't it be good if Alex said yes, but went in to breakfast going "OMG the traitors tired to recruit me!"

Super triple double mega ultra bluff

Wouldn't it be good if say Andrea said they tried to recruit me and failed, it's the 2 new guys!!

But doubt anyone would go that far. Like you are probably eliminated if you admit you are a traitor to anyone before elimination time. Though no rules saying you can't pretend you turned it down? Though you'd only know about it if Alex says it happened to her.

This is brilliant telly but I can't get over how none of them seem to grasp the traitors were chosen at random, it has nothing to do with their personalities how likely they are to be a traitor, only how good they are at pretending not to be one.

Also, it's clear the show is being edited up the wazoo for dramatic effect but that's OK with me because it's working. Best reality TV I've watched since Big Brother's early series.

I think Amanda has the last vote because they sit in the same seats every time and Claudia goes from the same starting seat each time.

That's part of the trouble...anything anyone does could be a bluff or double bluff. When Maddy kept accusing Wilf, they could have picked her off and if it looked suspicious, he could say, "Why would I do that if I were a traitor? It's too obvious! The traitors saw her gunning for me and now they're framing me!"

It's interesting how Imran was a suspect for not being emotional enough, and Aaron was a suspect for being too emotional.

I don't think there's really a failsafe way of knowing if someone is lying. Even polygraph tests aren't fully reliable. People react in different ways and you get stress responses from knowing you might not be believed when you're telling the truth.

Exactly this

When Alex said about Wilf needing the money I didn't understand. He was chosen to be a traitor so his need for cash wasn't relevant

Thank you for the game suggestions. I'll look into those. If it wasn't for the nasty tasks on this show (being buried alive, spun around upside down) I'd almost be tempted to apply for the next series!!

I'm not sure if it's a positive or a negative to this show that's there's absolutely no rhyme or reason as to why certain people were made traitors; or why individuals should be voted for banishment. It's all just gut feeling, no clues or evidence at all.

I do wish the Traitors had tasks which, if caught, would out them or at least make them suspect to scrutiny.

In fact, I've come up with some improvements:-

• each money challenge, the Traitors are given a bonus challenge which, if they succeed, adds 5k to the pot. Everyone finds out that this is happening / whether it was successful, so they keep a look out for odd behaviour

• each time a Faithful is voted out, they take 2k from the prize pot with them

• the Traitors must check in at a certain location once a day at a fixed time (say they have a 30min window to get to the checkpoint), just so they need to cover up going missing etc.

I think Maddies obsession with Wilf is personal not traitor based.

She initially was really pleased when he walked into the breakfast room, then she switched and started saying oh well of course he's come back he's a traitor.

After the vote she made a point of going over and hugging him, he wasn't interested and didn't want a hug. She was then acting all ditsy (I know, no change) standing next to him.

I think she fancies him and either getting revenge for him not being interested or to get his attention (or both) as there's absolutely no logic in her argument for him being a traitor.

"as there's absolutely no logic in her argument for him being a traitor."

We only see snippets of their interactions, I suspect Wil(f) has been acting paranoid and suspicious off camera.

This is brilliant telly but I can't get over how none of them seem to grasp the traitors were chosen at random, it has nothing to do with their personalities how likely they are to be a traitor, only how good they are at pretending not to be one.

But it wasn't just a random, they were offered the chance to be traitors and could have turned it down. Claudia said in an interview that she wanted someone to be a traitor as they'd be very good at it l, but they refused so they are a faithful. Personably I think this was probably Andrea