Trainwreck: Woodstock 99 on Netflix

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Has anyone watched this as yet? I watched it yesterday, and found it so disturbing. I’d have hated to have been in the midst of it.

I'm pretty sure in the music box documentary it said that Rome made only £200k after it all.

I just finished watching this. So disturbing as OP says. And as PP have said - literally would have been my worst nightmare to be stuck in such a festival.

What struck me was (and sorry for being boring feminist here) that everything wrong with this festival can mainly be traced back to the patriarchy / men : the three men who ran the festival with zero care for attendees safety or well-being, the men at the festival who just thought when’s bodies were there for the taking etc etc.

the two founders (scher and Langdon) approach / views on it all were really shocking and awful. Scher explaining that more women get raped proportionately in small cities …. Sort of really f*ing misses the point about male violence against women.

going to watch the docu on Fyre festival next …

Oh Mark, you are in for a treat.

All I can say is bottled water seems to be a recurring theme with these events.

@DFOD

I totally agree about the male lens of sexual -Ialso questioned Fat Boy Slim when he made the throw away comment about people lining up to have sex against the wall - it was as if he thought this ness great and a sign of a great night out?

That wasn't FBS

Watched it with DD(16) - had to practically drag her out of her room as the thought that I would know of a TV programme she would 'enjoy' met with a v v withering look!
First few mins - she was on her phone
Then complaining that I just didn't want her to go to Reading in a couple of weeks
Then.... she was riveted and actually complained when I wanted to turn it off before ep 1 had finished as I needed to go somewhere!!

😂😂😂

I also enjoyed the fyre festival doc too, although that was a different type of awful (albeit with some similar themes).

DH went to Reading festival at some point in the 90s. It was super hot and they were charging £4 or so for a bottle of water.

and sorry for being boring feminist here

Never apologise for defending women and girls.

You'd presumably never say sorry for being a boring gay rights activist, or sorry for being a boring civil rights egalitarianist. Feminism is no different.

Oh goodie. Lemme guess - lots of men pontificating about their individual greatness while Rome (quite literally in Woodstock’s case) burns around them?

To those mentioning the absence of reporting of fatalites, as mentioned upthread < to that pp, who put me onto the other doc> Music Box on now tv (episode1) does an excellent job of highlighting the tragedy of David Derosia, who died of heatstroke aged 24. They use his diaries and his best friend talks about him.
His Mum did try to sue, but I think the case is still going on now, with less chance of justice as Lang is dead.
The other two fatalities were a woman, Tara Weaver, 28, who was run over leaving the venue and an unnamed man, who had a heart attack on site.

How odd that they didn’t mention the deaths in this documentary. Anyone know why not?

Is there any way of watching the HBO documentary apart from Now TV?
Incredible too that they tried to put on another Woodstock festival in 2019 that was called off.

I watched this Netflix doc the other night - I was in my 20s when the event happened but don't remember it at all.

I found the documentary fascinating and horrifying in equal measure, but also odd in that it skimmed over so much. After reading more about the event online, I found out there were actually two main stages, although they were 2 miles (!!!) apart. Wine may have been affecting my recollection, but I don't really remember that being mentioned in the documentary?

Was the second stage the aircraft hanger where Fat Boy Slim played?

@MrsBobBlackadder - I don’t think they mentioned it, because I commented to a friend that I didn’t understand why they didn’t have more than one stage and the terrifying rave hanger.
When I looked at the line up they had Alanis Morisette, Elvia Costello, Muse - so did have a variety of acts too.

Thank you - glad it wasn't just me! Apparently there was another main stage that someone else (Megadeth I think?) was playing on the final night. The documentary implied that basically the entire crowd was at the Chili Peppers gig, but I guess that can't have been the case?

Will watch the NowTV one tonight!

l looked into the line up too and thought it odd that some acts weren’t mentioned. Fair enough if they didn’t give the rights to show clips etc but you still think they would mention them.

I also thought it odd that the fatalities weren’t mentioned. But I wonder if that was due to on going legal issues perhaps.

The line up was a mix of lots of types of alternative music. I find the focus on Nu-metal (as a fan myself) a bit odd but it does seem there was a different culture around this than here in the UK. Just feels like the organisers making up excuses for what was an incredibly badly organised event. Its not like it was abnormality hot weather, it was typical July temps and they cram 250k people into a tarmac venue.

They had the 3rd stage at Download 2008 on tarmac and it was bloody awful, snapshot into what the whole 3 days would have been like "shudder
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I also questioned Fat Boy Slim when he made the throw away comment about people lining up to have sex against the wall - it was as if he thought this ness great and a sign of a great night out?

@DFOD that wasn't fat boy slim,it was one of the staff members describing seeing that in the rave hangar. Fbs came across like he actually did care about what happened and felt awful about it, IMO

I find the focus on Nu-metal (as a fan myself) a bit odd but it does seem there was a different culture around this than here in the UK

Yes, as a 17 nu metal fan in 1999 I can say that the fan base in ireland (and the uk) wasn't frat boy types at all but a more alternative crowd.

I remember seeing footage of the fires back then but didn't realise it was quite that bad. Obviously there were way more than 4 rapes. The rape apologist guy is a complete dickhead. Awful. Going to watch the HBO doc tomorrow.

There were like 4 Nu-metal bands on the lineup. The headliners were all bands that still headline festivals today.

I watched all three episodes yesterday. It's strange that I can't remember this at all (I was early 20's in 1999).

I don't think the line up was an issue (although Fred Durst didn't help the situation). I watched the first episode and it didn't look that different to festivals I've been to.

However as the programme continued it quickly became clear that the organisation was shocking; tarmac site, lack of security, poor facilities, combined with the hot weather, it was a perfect storm.

However none of this excuses the behaviour of those men. I would call them animals, but actually that's an insult to animals. The mob mentality was horrifying and incredibly scary.

It kind of came across that some of the people commentating were very keen to blame the bands for the trouble rather than the organisation.

As I said above, criticising Korn for 'are you ready' which is the actual lyrics to the song, and IIRC they put emphasis on a bit of 'Freak on a Leash' where Jonathan Davies shouts 'GO!" It's the song, it's not Korn trying to incite a riot.

I was at Download 2008 as well and agree about the tarmac second stage. It was really hot that weekend as well and I seem to remember queues for water as well and vendors hiking the prices.

Also, special mention for Download 2006 where Axl Rose single handedly pissed off the crowd by being an utter diva for their entire set, resulting in a small faction of 'fans' starting fires, ripping down hoardings and 12 arrests.

I completely agree with PPs that the fan base for nu metal here in the UK is totally different to in the US. I was actually surprised by the frat boy fans. When I was out in the 90s, people who looked/dressed like the frat boys would be more into bullying us for being "jitters" or "moshers" The only trouble I ever saw at a gig or club was when townies used to come in purposely to cause a fight.

It was shocking the way the odious little bald headed twerp tried to downplay everything, even during the press conferences when shit was hitting the fan. The dark haired young peace keeper security guy was very unlikeable too.

On a lighter note, did Keith and his friend remind anyone else of Beavis and Butthead?