Trainwreck: Woodstock 99 on Netflix

[NorthFaceofthelaundrypile]

Has anyone watched this as yet? I watched it yesterday, and found it so disturbing. I’d have hated to have been in the midst of it.

[EchoPark]

@crunchypeanutbutterontoast

I think that interview from the clean T-shirt girl was captured earlier in the festival maybe Fri or Sat, then edited into the doc to imply it was at the end.

I was completely wondering about her clean t-shirt. No way had she endured three days there by that point.

Late to the thread here but DC got me to watch the documentary tonight and I binged it all. Made me feel sick. Gobsmacking how the organisers made the decisions they did and how easy it was for various people to fob off responsibility and blame others.

[crunchypeanutbutterontoast]

I think that interview from the clean T-shirt girl was captured earlier in the festival maybe Fri or Sat, then edited into the doc to imply it was at the end.

[Nonunsnonunsnone]

Also people will always minimise what white people do when they 'let their hair down'. Look at the difference in reporting between Notting Hill festival and Reading. There was a popular tweet about this going around last week.

[ellyeth]

Did the riots at Woodstock 99 get much media coverage at the time? If so, I don't recall it - and it really was a major event.

It was really quite disturbing for a number of reasons:

The way some of the festival goers behaved towards women (and some women seem to have taken leave of their senses too);
The way the festival goers were treated, especially given the very hot weather - extortionately priced food and drink, disgusting toilet facilities, etc, etc.

It is said that if you treat people like trash they will behave like trash and I think Trainwreck supported this.

What a shame that the memories of the original Woodstock, which on the whole was reportedly a peaceful and good natured event, were besmirched by this greedy, badly organised event.

Apparently there was social disorder at one or two of the British festivals this year - though not on the scale of the Woodstock 99 event. I wonder if there was an element of "copycatting" involved.

[MrsTimRiggins]

@badbaduncle

I watched 4 hours at the capital last night - doc about Trump and the insanity in January last year. DH and I turned to each other and were both "same men, 20 years older" really really similar vibe...

Hmm, this is a very good point.

[DFOD]

@badbaduncle

I watched 4 hours at the capital last night - doc about Trump and the insanity in January last year. DH and I turned to each other and were both "same men, 20 years older" really really similar vibe...

This is exactly what we said but the other way round - watching Trainwreck - that these were the exact same entitled, deluded, angry, meat heads storming The Capitol

[badbaduncle]

I watched 4 hours at the capital last night - doc about Trump and the insanity in January last year. DH and I turned to each other and were both "same men, 20 years older" really really similar vibe...

[PriamFarrl]

@fruitbrewhaha

I think what has really struck me is how quickly men will be corralled into violence, destruction and rape..............3 fucking days of heat and lack of water and this is what happens.

I’m not ‘not all men’ but remember this is a subset of men. It’s men who will go to see those bands, men who didn’t walk away, men who will be influenced by others. I’m not excusing what they did but I know my DH wouldn’t behave like that, and neither would a lot of the men I know.

[fruitbrewhaha]

I think what has really struck me is how quickly men will be corralled into violence, destruction and rape..............3 fucking days of heat and lack of water and this is what happens.

[MrsTimRiggins]

Just watched this. I was only 6 in ‘99 but obviously I’m very familiar with the bands and singers etc… the organisers just came across as absolutely pathetic, so slimey and desperate to point the finger at anyone else other than themselves (the bands, the ‘people’ there ahem-themen-ahem, even Fight Club?!) for the results of their appalling organisation of such a huge festival.
I can’t get over how tense and uncomfortable I felt just watching. The women there must have been absolutely terrified. Of course, some of the men too, but the very real threat to the women turned my stomach. I dread to think about the horrific things women went through that weekend.

[bilky]

@AfterSchoolWorry

^i feel like the organisers had no understanding of the culture of some of the fan base of the line up they put together^

Exactly this. The organisers were boomers who had been involved in the first Woodstock.

The first Woodstock was different, peace and love, the main drugs were weed, downers and acid. Not much alcohol was present. Not much food or water either so people were much lower in energy.

The boomer organisers failed to understand the nihilistic mindset of the Gen X attendees. They weren't the acquiescent hippies of yesteryear.

Gen X culture was about getting fucked off your face. A much more cynical and self destructive generation.

They had scraped together cash for a ticket only to be corralled into a burning hot cesspit of a venue with a tainted water supply, no shade, amateur 'security', literal rivers of shit running through it, they were ripped off while the crunchy hippy organisers partied it up behind the scenes in comfort.

I felt it played out the generational misunderstanding between boomers and gen x in a very ugly, extreme way.

But also they tried to take the "peace and love" vibes - with all the 60s artwork and the security being called "peace givers" or whatever it was, and repackage it as a complete bloodsucking corporate event.

I found the documentary gripping but ultimately quite shit tbh, there was a lot of classic American hyperbole that was really annoying, why can't they just talk without exaggerating everything? Oh WOW people were drinking at 11am?? At a festival??? Shocking!!!!!
That tv presenter that acted like going into a mosh pit was the equivalent to reporting from Afghanistan.

I dunno, it looked like an AWFUL festival, but I would put all the blame on the shit organisers. I think the stuff at the end was the equivalent of people getting carried away into lawlessness a bit like in the London riots.

[AfterSchoolWorry]

^i feel like the organisers had no understanding of the culture of some of the fan base of the line up they put together^

Exactly this. The organisers were boomers who had been involved in the first Woodstock.

The first Woodstock was different, peace and love, the main drugs were weed, downers and acid. Not much alcohol was present. Not much food or water either so people were much lower in energy.

The boomer organisers failed to understand the nihilistic mindset of the Gen X attendees. They weren't the acquiescent hippies of yesteryear.

Gen X culture was about getting fucked off your face. A much more cynical and self destructive generation.

They had scraped together cash for a ticket only to be corralled into a burning hot cesspit of a venue with a tainted water supply, no shade, amateur 'security', literal rivers of shit running through it, they were ripped off while the crunchy hippy organisers partied it up behind the scenes in comfort.

I felt it played out the generational misunderstanding between boomers and gen x in a very ugly, extreme way.

[OhAmBackAgain]

just to correct the facts of Glastonbury, official tickets for 1994 were 80,000 but there was no steel fence so it was estimated to 300,000 in attendance.

The latest Glastonbury had an official attendance of 200,000

[tallulahtiger]

The lady talking about how she got trench mouth from drinking sewage water did it for me. Imagine feeling that unwell and being stuck in that place with no clean water and that violent atmosphere. Awful.

[OhAmBackAgain]

just watched this last night. urgh right the beginning it raised the hairs on the back of my neck watching the mens attitude to the women there, all I could think of was I would be out of there so fast if I'd gone, really frightening atmosphere.

also made me angry that the Norman Cook and others were putting on a fake post Metoo campaign of "oh it was so sad and upsetting about the girl in the van" like yeah ok like you never knew shit like that happened right under your nosies all the time, just you didn't give a shit before Metoo and now it's all down cast eyes and oh so sad. Pull the other one it's got bells on.

Currently watching this, finding it bizarre that they keep saying it's the best festival, never anything like it, spirit of the 60s like nowhere else. And yet Gastro has been going the whole time and since but much better. Maybe it is an inability to look beyond America?

This too, when they sat there and said nothing like this has ever been done before in the world. I was shouting at the telly "Glastonbury?" never thought to get in contact with those organisers?

in 1994 there were 300,000 people at Glastonbury........

[sjxoxo]

Watching this now and I can’t believe the attitude of the old guy who did the promoting. What a wet piece of cabbage! I agree with pp that I expect there was a lot of sexual assault there and it was glossed over. Shocking footage!!

[TheVanguardSix]

Can I just say though, Gavin Rossdale back in those days. What a god.

I was a model back in the 80s/90s and in the early 90s, I was sitting there one morning getting my make-up done in a studio and we were waiting for the model I was shooting with to show up. She was terribly late... because she was literally shagging Gavin Rossdale into the carpet. She couldn't leave that behind for a day's work! Never was there a better excuse for being late. When she finally showed up, I was mesmerised by her on the set. It was like she walked in covered in his lovesexy dust. Talk about living vicariously through someone.
He was gorgeous back then!

[neshtastic]

@NorthFaceofthelaundrypile

@badbaduncle - I can imagine it would be the cause of PTSD in a lot of people there. I couldn’t stop thinking about it last night.
It was like the end of days, or like something from The Purge.
I suspect there was rape on a mass scale, and felt that it was somewhat glossed over. I wonder if women will come forward as a result of this documentary.
I couldn’t believe Heather saw it through to the end - and her shirt was still so white on the Monday morning!

You sound so dramatic

[Lullabies2Paralyze]

was A very intense watch. People can blame the bands and the crowd all they want, but at the end of the day it was never going to be like Woodstock. The original one was about peace and love, although 99 was the same guy involved in putting it together, all he (and the other people) cared about was getting money off it. Was never going to have the same vibe at all!

horrific treatment of women and I suspect some poor young men were also raped.
As someone who spent a lot of my late teens and early 20’s in mosh pits, i am so relieved that I never had to put up with that sort of behaviour

[SizzlestheSausageDog]

Oh autocorrect, Glasto. Lol.

[SizzlestheSausageDog]

Currently watching this, finding it bizarre that they keep saying it's the best festival, never anything like it, spirit of the 60s like nowhere else. And yet Gastro has been going the whole time and since but much better. Maybe it is an inability to look beyond America?

[Cassimin]

My grown up children go to Glastonbury and have been every year it’s been on since they were 16. Never have they had a bad experience and I have never been worried about them.
I watched the program and it was awful. Admittedly the organisers were terrible but the people attending were mostly disgusting.
when the tv cameras went on them it was distorted screaming faces shouting ‘fuck you’
People who were falling all over the place in drunken states. Pathetic.
compare this to the scenes televised at Glastonbury, people from all walks of life and all ages mixing together and having a great time.
Makes me proud to be British!!
Norman Cook couldn’t get out of there fast enough

[NorthFaceofthelaundrypile]

Heather of the pristine white t-shirt!

[DFOD]

@ThisIsAddiction

On a lighter note, did Keith and his friend remind anyone else of Beavis and Butthead?

First comment to DH when they appeared 😂

Same here.

Forgotten the name of the woman who was 14 at the time - she was such a cute little innocent button. Breaks my heart to think what others endured.

[TheWeeDonkey]

@ThisIsAddiction

On a lighter note, did Keith and his friend remind anyone else of Beavis and Butthead?

First comment to DH when they appeared 😂

Yes the did! 🤣