Jimmy Saville - Netflix

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How the hell did this man get away with it?

@Rhannion

I wonder if Mumsnet feels any regret or shame about banning LangCleg... she knew exactly what she was talking about.

Who's Lange? What was said/happened?

I remember years ago a woman came on "This Morning" tv show saying she was his daughter, her mother had passed away.

Always wondered what happened to her as this was when he was still alive.

I realise I'm banging my head against a brick wall with this but again we are looking at someone who is meant to have been a practising catholic, and we have the priest saying Jimmy that was someone who really believed in it all, so how do these religious people then excuse what they've done which is surely against every belief in the big book?

All the cover up. I think some of that was to protect potential embarrassment for the high profile people he had hoodwinked. Jill Dando was most likely on to it, there was always the rumour she had info that was going to be a big expose. The police clearly fouled up time and again. Other people burying their heads in the bloody sand. "..surrey police were found to have unwittingly discouraged victims from supporting a prosecution against Saville" well I want to know how and why!

@user75 and anyone else who wasn't listened to, I am so sorry our shit arse system let you down. I really am.

Who's Lange? What was said/happened?

LangCleg was a poster on the feminist board who was an expert on safeguarding. She was banned, I think, for transgressing the language rules around the woman's rights/trans rights conflict.

@user75 I am so angry on your behalf. How dare the BBC shrug it off. Also think West Yorkshire police and Surrey Police should be investigated and surviving officers punished. What did they think they were doing, going for breakfasts at his flat?

@user75

I reported him to the West Yorkshire Police 3 times. I was accused of harassment and told they would give him my parents address if I didn't shut up. The BBC, including Ester Ranzen and the director general did not reply. I was listed as a vexatious complainant and blocked. That is how he got away with it.

I am so sorry

...with the exception of Selina Scott. Of course she says now it was all an act, but she was practically throwing herself at him on camera.

And here we see a perfect example of attitudes that were prevalent at that time and which, sadly, still persist today.

The belief that it had to be the woman's fault, she was "throwing herself at him", she encouraged him, how could he help himself, it was just "banter"...

I see an attractive young female presenter who is clearly extremely uncomfortable interviewing JS, but it's her job, she has to remain professional even though the creep is clearly overstepping personal boundaries.

As she says herself "I knew my role. In those days, there was immense pressure on young women in television to acquiesce to older men".

And you still see it all the time in our public space - women are polite to creeps that hit on them, it's safer to play nice, don't make him angry, you don't know what he might do, smile and laugh along and eventually he'll leave you alone.

JS knew precisely how to take advantage of those attitudes.

@HothouseFlower

...with the exception of Selina Scott. Of course she says now it was all an act, but she was practically throwing herself at him on camera.

And here we see a perfect example of attitudes that were prevalent at that time and which, sadly, still persist today.

The belief that it had to be the woman's fault, she was "throwing herself at him", she encouraged him, how could he help himself, it was just "banter"...

I see an attractive young female presenter who is clearly extremely uncomfortable interviewing JS, but it's her job, she has to remain professional even though the creep is clearly overstepping personal boundaries.

As she says herself "I knew my role. In those days, there was immense pressure on young women in television to acquiesce to older men".

And you still see it all the time in our public space - women are polite to creeps that hit on them, it's safer to play nice, don't make him angry, you don't know what he might do, smile and laugh along and eventually he'll leave you alone.

JS knew precisely how to take advantage of those attitudes.

Spot on

@HothouseFlower

...with the exception of Selina Scott. Of course she says now it was all an act, but she was practically throwing herself at him on camera.

And here we see a perfect example of attitudes that were prevalent at that time and which, sadly, still persist today.

The belief that it had to be the woman's fault, she was "throwing herself at him", she encouraged him, how could he help himself, it was just "banter"...

I see an attractive young female presenter who is clearly extremely uncomfortable interviewing JS, but it's her job, she has to remain professional even though the creep is clearly overstepping personal boundaries.

As she says herself "I knew my role. In those days, there was immense pressure on young women in television to acquiesce to older men".

And you still see it all the time in our public space - women are polite to creeps that hit on them, it's safer to play nice, don't make him angry, you don't know what he might do, smile and laugh along and eventually he'll leave you alone.

JS knew precisely how to take advantage of those attitudes.

Well said

I just watched Leaving Neverland too. MJ was another one who was hiding in plain sight.

Amazing now, looking back at it that anyone thought that a grown man sleeping with young boys was ok.

I can't believe they still play Jackson's songs on the radio tbh and am amazed he is still so defended by so many

Instead of the people profiting from programs about that disgusting reptile the victims should receive every single penny made from them.

I can't believe they still play Jackson's songs on the radio tbh and am amazed he is still so defended by so many

He was found not guilty.

Besides which it is possible to love the art not the artist.

Garry glitter and Ralf Harris went to jail for their proven crimes, added to which their music was shit anyway so nobody was going to care that it wasn’t played.

My husband said why didn't the little girl scream and run away when JS sexually assaulted her on many occassions.

Exactly the same questions the, now adult, woman asked herself and felt guilty about a few minutes later.

I think so many people, especially men just will never understand.

@LethargeMarg

I can't believe they still play Jackson's songs on the radio tbh and am amazed he is still so defended by so many

Was staying in a hotel when the MJ documentary came out. The next morning they were playing his songs at breakfast!! I complained and asked them to switch it off.

The same cameramen worked on Jim'll fix it, Jonathon King's TV show and Gary Glitters tour films. The same small group of men. All public school educated BBC camera men. There is lot about this that has never been shown. The establishment are covering this up still. Savile was not a 'lone wolf' he was a respected man, loved by the bbc, royal family and government. The people who knew and supported hi. Are still in their jobs.

@HothouseFlower

...with the exception of Selina Scott. Of course she says now it was all an act, but she was practically throwing herself at him on camera.

And here we see a perfect example of attitudes that were prevalent at that time and which, sadly, still persist today.

The belief that it had to be the woman's fault, she was "throwing herself at him", she encouraged him, how could he help himself, it was just "banter"...

I see an attractive young female presenter who is clearly extremely uncomfortable interviewing JS, but it's her job, she has to remain professional even though the creep is clearly overstepping personal boundaries.

As she says herself "I knew my role. In those days, there was immense pressure on young women in television to acquiesce to older men".

And you still see it all the time in our public space - women are polite to creeps that hit on them, it's safer to play nice, don't make him angry, you don't know what he might do, smile and laugh along and eventually he'll leave you alone.

JS knew precisely how to take advantage of those attitudes.

Agree with this entirely. She didn't look anything other than uncomfortable.

I’ve watched this today. Listening to the accounts of his victims and reading at the end that his youngest victim was only 5, it’s heartbreaking.

I worked with someone almost 25 years ago who had a partner that was a journalist. She told us then that it was well known amongst journalists that JS had done this for many, many years. She seemed to say that newspapers had evidence including photos but they had been obtained illegally, and it was made very clear to them that they were not allowed to report on the story. I was quite young at the time but I remember thinking how awful it sounded, but never thought it would be on anything like the scale we now know it was. If people outside the BBC and his circle knew, then I have no doubt that many more people inside helped to cover this up. It’s sickening.

@namechangeranonymouse

My husband said why didn't the little girl scream and run away when JS sexually assaulted her on many occassions.

Exactly the same questions the, now adult, woman asked herself and felt guilty about a few minutes later.

I think so many people, especially men just will never understand.

So true. I've heard other people say the same but I think many of us have been in a situation where you're just speechless with fear. Fight or flight are well known trauma reactions but freeze and fawn and actually more common female trauma reactions.

@MrFsAunt

Yes.

It's quite enlightening, esp on this new documentary (which is the best so far IMO) how it was the female journalists or presenters that seemed to get the measure of him at the time while most of the men seemed oblivious or laughed them off.

And many men were protecting him, such as his chauffeur, for obvious reasons.

@crossstitchingnana

I also think social media would have made this less likely to have happened.

He only died in 2008 and social media was well established by then.

@Franklin12

Rotherham and Rochdale. Those weren’t white mean getting away with it? Unless I am missing something.

And in Oxford where vulnerable young girls were groomed along the Cowley Road area. Check out Operation Bullfinch. The girls were not believed.

@Gardeningcreature

He got away with it because he was a white man. Another example Harold Shipman, allowed to do as he pleased. All of these perpetrators were white men. Any one who blew the whistle on them was not believed at best, at worst punished. One girl told the head teacher at the home she lived at (kind of an orphanage) that JS has assaulted her and the result- she was called all the names under the sun and put in solitary confinement as a punishment for the wicked, nasty lies she had told about Poor Uncle Jimmy. I know of a woman who blew the whistle on a surgeon at a local hospital. She was punished and lost her job. He carried on until he murdered a young woman. Same old same old. I also give you Rochdale and Rotherham.

What's that got to do with being white

I liked Ian Hislop on this. The audience of HIGNFY were laughing along at Savile's 'girls' jokes, and Ian was visibly like

@mycatisannoying

I liked Ian Hislop on this. The audience of HIGNFY were laughing along at Savile's 'girls' jokes, and Ian was visibly like

Yes all kudos to him! I noticed that too.