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Is anyone else watching the new Sense and Sensebility atm?

622 replies

08aGreatYearForCarmenere · 01/01/2008 22:05

It is good but quite odd as the casting is strangely similar to the film version, ie they all look and sound very alike.

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policywonk · 09/01/2008 21:55

Ummm - maybe the aunt who takes her into Derbyshire? You know, the convenient aunt who springs up from nowhere and - how amazing! - just happens to want to visit the Shag Palace.

policywonk · 09/01/2008 22:05

I've just noticed that you just called me 'simple'. I am going to bed in disgust.

Heated · 09/01/2008 22:16

But the title is sense and sensibility, Austen critical of the excesses of both, esp the sensibility that youthful Marianne typfies, so hence the ending I assume. I am wondering though, how the BBC production will manage it to the audience's satisfaction.

ruty · 09/01/2008 22:17

Bloody hell, how do any of you actually remember any of this stuff.

onebatmother · 09/01/2008 22:29

i watched the ET film, Ruty, like everyone else (you thirty-something.. er.. Ruty, you!) (Not THE E.T. film, though, that would be very confusing)

Would have NO recollection otherwise.

Policy, no! 'Simple' only in contrast to the vile urban sophistry of all the rest, my pink-cheek'd apple-picking country darling!

Heated - expand?

IorekByrnison · 09/01/2008 22:32

Yes to Cinderella and P & P.

Cinderella's a perfect story for narrative satisfaction, but terrible for sexual politics. She's a worse role model than Jordan (who is a kind of Cinderella story in herself. But with giant comedy bazookas).

Refuse to read Cinderella to dd - even though I have the ladybird book with the fantastic pictures - as am fearful of the message it will send her. All seems excusable in P & P because of the Bennetts' dire financial straits and Lizzie's cleverness. But then there's the intolerable Bridget Jones incarnation of the story...who would have thought we would still need all this stuff at this stage post-feminism?

Heated · 09/01/2008 22:35

Sorry, I'm marking so hasty cut and paste:

The Cult of Sensibility

The earliest of her novels, Sense and Sensibility is a reaction to Jane Austen's youthful reading. The cult of sensibility, which was prevalent in the literature of that time, argued that to have overpowering feelings was a sign of superior character. It followed that it was as wrong as it was hopeless to try to control or hide such feelings, whatever inconvenience or suffering they may cause their owner or anybody else.

Jane Austen had two quarrels with the cult of sensibility. The first was that people might exaggerate and falsify their feelings in order to be thought superior. The other was that even when feelings were deeply held and true, they did not excuse their owner from observing the common decencies of social behaviour.

Heated · 09/01/2008 22:36

We see two young women falling in love, suffering disappointment and heartache, and learning to achieve a balance between passion and prudence. Their stories are parallel, but while Elinor endures and is rewarded by marriage with the man she loves, Marianne has to remake her own character before she can find peace of mind.

Heated · 09/01/2008 22:38

By showing us how two sisters handle their love relationships, Jane Austen sets out to demonstrate the dangers of excessive sensibility. To say that Elinor Dashwood stands for sense and her sister Marianne for sensibility is to put the case too baldly. Elinor is sensible and prudent, but she too has strong feelings. It is just that she keeps them to herself; feelings should be private things, she - and her author - believe. Marianne is not without sense, but is has been overridden by the almost morbid cultivation of her sensibility. She possesses genuinely strong feelings, which she feeds and glories in, whether joy or grief. The conventions of society are beneath her notice, because she considers herself a superior person.

Most readers find Marianne's warmth of heart, spontaneity and openness of manners bewitching. They suit the spirit of our age better than the stiff decorum she herself scorns. And Marianne's transgressions of society's rules hurt nobody more than herself, so there seems little to forgive her for. Most of the characters she is rude to are either too obtuse to notice - like the loveable but limited Mrs Jennings - or they are despicable anyway.

Nevertheless, such is Jane Austen's skill in manipulating our responses, we favour Elinor's point of view. We see most of the action of the novel through her eyes. Elinor, for all her calm good sense and self-control, is never insufferably priggish. We know that inwardly she suffers deeply, though the people around her have no idea. We understand that having a mother who can be as romantically unworldly as Marianne herself, almost foists on Elinor the role of the prudent one of the family. Elinor is finally saved from priggishness by her ability to laugh wryly at herself.

onebatmother · 09/01/2008 22:41

but still not sure, heated, of your point re the ending?

Policy, i'm a derbrain, thought you were talking about S and S, not P an P, so we have been at cross-purposes all along, which is delightfully austen-ish..y.

onebatmother · 09/01/2008 22:42

heated, goodness! massive x post! I will go back and read immediately

MrsBadger · 09/01/2008 22:46

[staggers through thread]

I liked Bride & Prejudice
I loved Clueless - nowhere replicates the mores and strict conventionality of Austen quite so well in the 21st century as a high school
I want to read onebatmother's dissertation (is it in the Bod?)
I discovered Georgette Heyer when heavily pg and am savouring the local lib's limited selection (current favourite: The Tollbooth)

[wipes brow]

RosaLuxOnTheBrightSideOfLife · 10/01/2008 00:41

Oh I quite like The Tollbooth. But you need to read These Old Shades. And Frederica.
Sorry for posting and running. I was busy making necklaces and debating with DH whether we can afford a summer holiday this year. (It all seems to hinge on whether I can sell enough necklaces.)

SueBaroo · 10/01/2008 09:02

whispers to OBM My ambitions are eventually to take part in some kind of charity run, and to be published properly.

P&P question - Mr Bennett, fair or foul to Mrs Bennett? What went wrong for them, do you think? And when?

wombling · 10/01/2008 09:26

OOh Mrs B, The Tollbooth is good, but would agree with Rosa, and add Devil's Cub, Venetia and An Infamous Army. Sheer bliss, and ideal for late night BFing sessions!

Cappuccino · 10/01/2008 10:46

MrsB we can watch Clueless as part of this?

fab it was all getting a bit intellectual

I am rereading S&S and have reached page 61 of my comfortingly battered and sunbleached old hardback copy and have already remembered why I do not watch adaptations

they are wrong wrong wrong there are so many instances where dialogue and characters have been changed for no obvious reason

onebatmother · 10/01/2008 12:39

Cappuccino you could share your notebook with the class, and then we can all say 'what were they thinking?', and perhaps try to work out what they were actually thinking.

We could use it as a masterclass in adapting classics for the screen, and then all go on to have very successful careers picking up the jobs Andrew Davies couldn't be arsed with.

JackieNo · 10/01/2008 12:40

Anyone else see the news story about Jane Austen's picture being too ugly for her book cover?.

onebatmother · 10/01/2008 12:45

thud
Bloody hell.

Swedes2Turnips1 · 10/01/2008 13:37

Do you suppose she looks any better with her nightcap on? Perhaps night-cap is an 18th Century euphemism for a 21st Century paper-bag?

LOL @ "She was not much of a looker," said Helen Trayler, managing director of publisher Wordsworth Editions. I wish they would say what they mean!

SueBaroo · 10/01/2008 13:43

What does how good-looking she was have to do with the price of fish?

discarding ambition to be author based on the fact that I don't look like a model

Swedes2Turnips1 · 10/01/2008 13:49

SueBaroo - Oh, I am always picking out books I'd like to read in bookshops then returning the shelf immediately if the author doesn't look like Dan Snow.

onebatmother · 10/01/2008 13:56
onebatmother · 10/01/2008 13:56

must. punctuate.

SueBaroo · 10/01/2008 14:00

lol, yes. if I'd have known Jane Austen was a bit of a pug, I'd have never have bothered..

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