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The Puppet Master, Netflix

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bonfireheart · 21/01/2022 18:39

Really need to talk to someone about this! :)

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TheWeeDonkey · 23/01/2022 09:39

I just can't believe he managed to get away with what he did to Sarah, Maria, Kim and John. Sarah's dad was amazing, like Taken without the violence, he was just relentless. I think that's how Sandra's family need to be and I'm so glad he ex husband is fighting the cause for their children. Those poor kids, I was crying by the end. I really hope they get their mum back

Inkanta · 23/01/2022 10:13

It was a frustrating story to watch in that justice wasn't served and I felt sorry for those kids. At least this documentary and his face are out there now - for people to recognise.

You got a sense of his psychological control in the voice tapes - to the dog woman and the mother (in the airport). Manipulative and intimidating and very bloody creepy.

Inkanta · 23/01/2022 10:24

...And the Duran Duran tape played over and over in the car! The victims had to listen to 'Ordinally World' over and over again on long long drives Confused

Inkanta · 23/01/2022 10:25

Ordinary World.

Dentistlakes · 23/01/2022 18:05

I’ve just seen this. It’s one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever watched. It’s hard to imagine such a vile, controlling human being exists. To lie and manipulate people like that, isolating them from their families, stealing from them, it almost beyond belief. The truly scary thing is there are probably still women out there under his control who the police aren’t even aware of. It’s horrifying.

11plusName · 23/01/2022 18:09

This guy sold me my first car!

I’m so glad my husband went for the test drive instead of me, not that I would have fallen for any of his crap, but it gives me the creeps to think of being with him on my own.

CovidCorvid · 23/01/2022 19:31

The whole thing is bizarre. I read about the uni students years ago, I mean the two they interviewed seem intelligent enough…..it’s scary they could be taken in by him.

I hope the mother sees this programme and gets in touch with her kids but certainly seems like she’s been brain washed. Her kids are very forgiving.

Garman · 23/01/2022 22:16

Watching it now, this is just insane. Why did they believe any of this crap, and just hit the road zig zagging away from the IRA? 😂 I mean really, you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to fall for any of this.

KirkstallAbbess · 23/01/2022 22:23

Well the women hit the road to do a bucket list for their friend who'd told them he had cancer so not stupid really.

I don't think they were stupid, I think they were exploited by a skilled conman/manipulator.

Garman · 23/01/2022 22:28

But they then stayed when told it was all MI5/IRA stuff, that's ridiculous. DH & I just sitting her in disbelief wondering how anyone fell for it.

Garman · 23/01/2022 22:32

And if the IRA wanted to find you they'd do it faster than that, you'd be dead before you even knew it.

Inkanta · 23/01/2022 22:33

I must admit I was frustrated with Sandra who's maternal instincts have not kicked in for her two distraught kids. A mum's primary job is to protect her kids whether or not she is in some weird abusive relationship. She knows they are clearly upset.

Garman · 23/01/2022 22:34

Loving the woman's dad, especially with his comment about her passport. Sounds like he knew it was a load of shite too.

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 24/01/2022 00:00

@Garman

Watching it now, this is just insane. Why did they believe any of this crap, and just hit the road zig zagging away from the IRA? 😂 I mean really, you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to fall for any of this.
I did think it was ridiculous at first, but have been thinking about it a fair bit and trying to put myself in their shoes, without the benefit of a modern-day viewpoint and the full story.

Sarah explains that Rob knew things about her he shouldn't have - how much money she had in the bank, where her family owned pockets of land etc which helped convince her. Add that to the arrested gunrunner from their college and the death of their friend which would have been unnerving, insistence/vouching for the story by John who was already in too deep (the show left out a lot of other things Freegard did pre 'road trip' like the escalating series of tests John was put through, which you can find in the old news articles when he was convicted), Maria was in a relationship with Freegard so more likely to trust him, the IRA bombings seemed to follow them, and the fact that Freegard is a master manipulator and abuser so presumably a convincing actor...it's a lot to hit anyone all in one go.

Like so many abusers, his whole MO seemed to be normalising dependence on him, stripping away confidence and planting self-doubt, gaslighting etc. He kept them exhausted (constantly on the road being hyper alert for IRA tails, or working/standing around waiting to be collected/'surveillance' drives before bed after a shift), off balance (isn't repeating the same song over and over a Guantanamo torture tactic?), and like with so many things, once you're on a path it's harder to get off it and question it. I imagine especially so if the person you're with is wedded to the con enough to be on the road with you for months, making you take car number plates down, seeming like he knows what he's talking about in terms of staying off grid.

His behaviour slowly escalated and became normalised, allowing him to increase the severity. He tested them to see how far they'd go, and every time they complied, it was harder to escape.

This was all before the age of internet and mobiles and online catfishing - it wouldn't really surprise me if the idea that someone in his early twenties they came across in a pub could have had the skill and the desire to do something so utterly depraved and complex like this, would have been more fantastical and unbelievable to a group of naive students than the idea that their roommate was a member of the IRA in the same cell as a recently arrested gunrunner from their college, their friend had been killed by the same cell, and they now needed to flee because John had been feeding the authorities information (which he thought he had).

Once they were running, he had them.

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 24/01/2022 00:00

Blimey that was long Blush

bonfireheart · 24/01/2022 02:31

He raped Sarah. He beat Maria so much she lost her teeth. You'd think the police would go after him for those two things.

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Flowertailbird · 24/01/2022 08:27

What a slimy nasty piece of work that man is. Wanted to punch my tv screen every time his stupid face was shown.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 24/01/2022 16:02

Just watched it.

I'm not sure he was so much a master manipulator ,more like he just went after very gullible and vulnerable people. I mean come on, Spy School?Confused

Can't get over families handing over such vast amounts of money without contacting the police.

Inkanta · 24/01/2022 16:59

I'm not sure he was so much a master manipulator ,more like he just went after very gullible and vulnerable people. I mean come on, Spy School?confused

Yes I think there's some truth in that. This reminded me of the kind of gullible and vulnerable people that join a cult and sell their soul completely to the guru leader. Sarah for instance was warned off this creep by her own father to no avail, and she continued to push her dad to give this enormous amount of money. Her dad wanted to find and rescue her but she was completely hooked in. Like in a cult.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 24/01/2022 17:31

What was he threatening them with them to make them stay? They kind of glossed over that.

WheelieBinPrincess · 24/01/2022 17:33

In the case of Sarah though he’d caused her to alienate from her family hasn’t he? She assumed they want nothing to do with her. She was only young and he indoctrinated her basically. Once he’d cut off her support network and got her to believe her family wouldn’t want to know he had her. She was grateful for any crumbs he threw her in terms of accommodation etc. Was pretty much Stockholm syndrome I’d have thought.

ahcmonnow · 24/01/2022 17:39

@Garman

But they then stayed when told it was all MI5/IRA stuff, that's ridiculous. DH & I just sitting her in disbelief wondering how anyone fell for it.
I'm with you, Cannot grasp how they could be so gullible, that just doesn't make sense to me at all. I was sitting there watching it with my mouth open at how someone can persuade you to go missing for10 years. How could they all be so gullible. The guy got out fair enough and copped on.
MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 24/01/2022 17:43

And the families handing over all the moneyConfused

bonfireheart · 24/01/2022 17:53

I do feel like the documentary glossed over so much. Like the other guy just got up and went back to his families farm one day. Where did his family think he'd been? Did they look for him? And why once he "escaped" did he still send money? When he wrote Sarah's dad the letter, did they meet up, did they talk?! When Sarah's dad went into that house and found the 'script' how did he know where to go?

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CovidCorvid · 24/01/2022 17:58

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

What was he threatening them with them to make them stay? They kind of glossed over that.
Something about them being in danger from the ira and also their parents/family in danger.